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Old 07-10-2013, 01:27 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by steven_h
Don't worry, you'll never ever hear that from a Democrat.

You'll hear it from a republican, because they at least recognize what is right, even if they don't do it.


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You mean the same Republicans that turn around and support big government programs, right after telling you they are all for small government?
You highlighted what I said, and then repeated it as if I'd never said it.

Good job!
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:32 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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One of the most important aspects of the Revolution and the foundng father's beliefs were LIMITED GOVERNMENT. However, I talk to folks today and it seems like they love more laws, more regulations, more creation of federal departments and they want government to have a hand in everythinf possible.

So I have two questions:

1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?

And

2) When you take away everything America stands for in the name of "safety'" then what are we really trying to protect ourselves against? Because we have robbed ourselves of everything we have ever stood for.

- A Libertarian
911 happened and the government took advantage and grabbed as much power it could in the name of national security. Also, certain segments of society have been/are so dependent on government handouts, they love big government and love being controlled they have no clue what it is to survive without the Uncles handouts.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Steeler Nation
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I know, it's soooo shocking considering that the economy is growing by leaps and bounds, real wages have been going through the roof and unemployment is lower than anytime since the peak of WWII!

Freaking amazing isn't it!
WOW, are you disillusioned!
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Old 10-06-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Well good news, at the rate we are spending small government will became a must, out of the fact we will not be able to afford the Big Government of 1984...
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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  • The government that governs the least, governs the best.
  • The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.
When we were a more rural society during the nineteenth century we understood those truisms. As cities became bigger and the rural population smaller, we lost sight of those axioms. Today's society no longer wants a federal government limited by the US Constitution. They want an all powerful government that takes care all their needs from cradle to grave. The fact that government cannot pay for those needs is irrelevant. Those needs have now suddenly become a "right" that never existed before, that only government can bestow.

The US will not survive the century if it remains on the same course it has been on for the last 80 years.
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Old 10-06-2013, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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"Limited government" isn't really defined in a meaningful way.
It most certainly is defined in a meaningful way.

See Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Florida
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1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?
The attitudeds have not changed much in the last 20-30 years.
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Old 10-07-2013, 05:51 AM
 
Location: texas
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One of the most important aspects of the Revolution and the foundng father's beliefs were LIMITED GOVERNMENT. However, I talk to folks today and it seems like they love more laws, more regulations, more creation of federal departments and they want government to have a hand in everythinf possible.

So I have two questions:

1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?

And

2) When you take away everything America stands for in the name of "safety'" then what are we really trying to protect ourselves against? Because we have robbed ourselves of everything we have ever stood for.

- A Libertarian
Your first mistake is in believing that this nation was formed in order to foster limited government. The very formation of this nation was in order to consolidate and centralize power into one government; thus growing something from nothing.

Please show where the federal government in any time after its formation worked to limit and downsize itsself.
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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One of the most important aspects of the Revolution and the foundng father's beliefs were LIMITED GOVERNMENT.
I am sure many of the participants in the Whiskey Rebellion would have a comment or two to make regarding that sentiment.
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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When you rob Peter to pay Paul and David, pail and David will vote for you every time!
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