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Old 07-09-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Imagine the porcine screams of outrage if somebody suggested that legislating gun stores so there would be just 5 in Texas wasn't an encroachment on 2nd amendment rights.
^^^^This. The end.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Yet again, here are our politicians posturing over a bill they know will get shot down. Roe Vs. Wade makes it quite clear what's allowed and what isn't. The so-called "fiscally conservative" Tea Party in Wisconsin just threw a bunch down the drain: Judge blocks new Wisconsin abortion law - Houston Chronicle It'll happen in Texas also when it gets challenged.

Anyone else tired of posturing that costs millions?
The reason they are doing this in these States, is to get the issue taken up by the Supreme Court, I say again, the Roberts Supreme Court. Roberts has long been a supporter of reversing Roe v Wade. He just doesn't believe women have rights. Would he get 4 of his cohorts to go along with him? Very possibly. Like they did with voting rights, they could send us decades back on women's rights.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Imagine the porcine screams of outrage if somebody suggested that legislating gun stores so there would be just 5 in Texas wasn't an encroachment on 2nd amendment rights.
I have no problem with banning late term abortions and abortions for "convenience", but do oppose the restrictions on the clinics.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Only you should determine your morals and values. I dont want you infecting my child with your 'supposed' knowledge of values or your morality.

I dont want you teaching my child your version of spirutality though your prayers in my public schools...that is my job. I dont know or care what your values and morals are...that is your business.
Pro-choice myself, just understand the views of others. Many believe life is sacred from conception, some even before that. I would say many are forcing their values on me when they force me to be "charitable" to the poor.
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Old 07-09-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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The texas law did not ban abortions...so what is your problem. So picket Rick Perry for not banning abortions.
Banning abortions is currently illegal.

But I support laws that might reduce the 1.2 million that are done each year in the US.
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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As a Texas taxpayer, yes, I am sick of this obscene waste of money in an attempt to roll back reproductive choice back to the back-alley days of pre-Roe.
I was around in those "back alley days of pre-Roe" - girls/women mostly went to Mexico for their abortions. Some died, a friend of mine almost died - the conditions of the Mexican abortionists were not optimal. I watched the Gosnell trial, it wasn't easy. He (and others like him) run a 'back-alley' abortion mills right here in the USA post Roe. There is NO excuse for ignoring these clinics and trying to protect them..

We sure have made great progress. It's NOT unreasonable for these 'clinics' that perform surgical procedures to have standards that apply to other clinics that do the same type of procedures.
It's totally lost in this stupid argument that nobody is proposing legislation that "Bans Abortion".
Roe V Wade is the Law of the land, but I don't think anyone set out to turn Abortion into a Muliti-Million dollar business and still wind up with the "back-alley" house of horrors.

Will Houston’s version of Kermit Gosnell be investigated and charged?
Wednesday, Houston Chronicle May 15, 2013

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As shocking as their stories are, these women did more than just talk; they brought forward evidence of illegal late-term abortions in the form of photos taken on their cell phones at the Karpen’s clinic on Schumacher Lane in Houston.

The photos were scandalous. They depicted two babies aborted well beyond the legal limit of 24 weeks in Texas. Their necks had been cut.

“The photos show babies that are huge, with gashes in their necks, indicating that these babies were likely born alive, then killed, just as Kermit Gosnell did at his ‘House of Horrors’ clinic in Philadelphia,†said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue. “In fact, there are numerous similarities between Karpen and the Gosnell case, including the disregarding of complaints by the authorities that allowed both men to continue their illegal operations.â€
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Well all know that what this is designed to do is make it more difficult for a woman to have an abortion. I'm pro-choice and anti-late abortion unless the mother's life is in danger. HOWEVER, the GOP war on women has escalated; only this time, the GOP men are not going about it openly. It's all hush, hush and behind closed doors and stuck into a Bill that no one anticipated. It's insidious and will take women back about 50 years IF we let them. Fortunately, the word is out. Let's keep the word out and make sure women are informed in the coming elections what the Grand Ole Party would like to do to them.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:45 PM
 
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Some people just believe trying to prevent little pre-babies from being chopped into pieces while still alive and sucked out of their home piece by piece is worth fighting for no matter the cost or chances of success.

Pro-choice myself but I understand the view of the other side.
I have zero tolerance for the whacko, religious beliefs some are seeking to impose on the rest of the country, by making them the law of the land.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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it would be anologous to having the right to own a firearm, but restrict bullets. How would you feel about your 2nd amendment right then.


I didn't see any right.... in the Bill of rights, for a mother to kill a living human, using the grim reaper, either.

Roe v. Wade. didn't grant a right. It just said it was not within the constitution, for the centralized federal government to be involved in. That power was not granted to the federal government, in the Constitution, to make it illegal on the federal level.

The 2nd, amendment is very clear and the only amendment that includes language, Shall not be infringed upon. Which is very powerful and definitive.

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Old 07-09-2013, 10:16 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I was around in those "back alley days of pre-Roe" - girls/women mostly went to Mexico for their abortions. Some died, a friend of mine almost died - the conditions of the Mexican abortionists were not optimal. I watched the Gosnell trial, it wasn't easy. He (and others like him) run a 'back-alley' abortion mills right here in the USA post Roe. There is NO excuse for ignoring these clinics and trying to protect them..

We sure have made great progress. It's NOT unreasonable for these 'clinics' that perform surgical procedures to have standards that apply to other clinics that do the same type of procedures.
It's totally lost in this stupid argument that nobody is proposing legislation that "Bans Abortion".
Roe V Wade is the Law of the land, but I don't think anyone set out to turn Abortion into a Muliti-Million dollar business and still wind up with the "back-alley" house of horrors.

Will Houston’s version of Kermit Gosnell be investigated and charged?
Wednesday, Houston Chronicle May 15, 2013

I'm Pro Choice to about 20 weeks and also recall those back alley days.

You say this so well. I hope you will continue.
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