Children at pro-choice rallies (economic, claim, support, propaganda)

[UTHORNS96]

Originally Posted by TexasVines

I am not even anti-abortion there are a lot of people I wish had been aborted like most liberals and those perpetually on welfare

Partisian dogma at its finest. This is the reason that when people ask me what my political views are, I respond "Devil's advocate." A lot of my views are actually quite conservative due to the religious conviction I have. But posts like these are exactly the reason I've never voted Republican in my life. Too many self-righteous, dogmatic, shallow windbags that don't use logic at all.

And don't think I'm just picking on Republicans. Because I've had arguments with far left types from San Francisco that would make your head spin.

[BigDGeek]

I'll be honest...I don't actually care that much if people are having abortions. I don't lose any sleep over it whatsoever. I want the choice to remain available to anyone who wants/needs it. I'd rather that nobody got pregnant accidentally in the first place, but that's just me.

Having said that, what disturbs me about the "pro-life" (e.g. "anti-choice") movement is that they are FAR more interested in controlling a woman's body and imposing some version of sexual purity on them, or punishment for violating that notion of sexual purity, than they are interested in saving fetuses. It is misogyny, pure and simple...even if it's subconscious.

Second, if the "pro-life" movement was really about saving fetuses instead of punishing "sluts", they'd be endeavoring to make abortion obsolete, not illegal. They'd be supporting comprehensive sex ed, access to contraception, access to the morning-after pill, and strong educational opportunities for at-risk young women. All of these have a proven track record of preventing unwanted pregnancies. However, they do not do this. At least most of them don't, which tells me that their message is disingenuous at best.

I also find it disturbing that they will strap duct tape across their mouths and quiver and sob at rallies and in front of representatives when it's time to defend fetuses...but the second that fetus is born and becomes a legal person, they don't give a crap anymore. Don't breed 'em if you can't feed 'em! Welfare queen! Go get a job! Etc. I think it's kind of disturbing that they are so hell-bent on forcing women to bear children that they don't want, and creating more poor children in the process who are then more likely to end up wards of the state (tax $$$!) or, later in life, criminals (tax $$$!).

Doesn't seem to make any sense to me at all.

Can't you just be in favor of condoms, the pill, and the morning after pill and real sex ed for the kids so they don't end up pregnant in the first place? Would that be SO freaking hard?

[Oleg Bach]

Originally Posted by bayoubengal1982

Does anyone else find it ironic that there are children wearing the orange pro-choice shirts at the capital and other rallies around the state. If these kids parents had it their way, they wouldnt even exist.

SOME who are obsessed with "choice" are like religious fanatics...and they drag their kids off to their off beat church of choice...to worship "choice" - I think it is as stupid as some progressives who take their kids to the Gay Pride parade which boarders on pornography. Let children figure things out for themselves- I can't stand indoctrination of kids...LET NATURE TAKE IT'S COURSE I always say...The feminist eccentrics that hold on to 1970s values are slowly falling out of fashion and maybe they are trying to create new recruits to keep their agenda going..............Ironic? Yes- these kids do not realize how close they came to not making it to earth.

[EzPeterson]

Originally Posted by bayoubengal1982

Does anyone else find it ironic that there are children wearing the orange pro-choice shirts at the capital and other rallies around the state. If these kids parents had it their way, they wouldnt even exist.

You obviously do not understand what the word choice means. Regardless, this belongs in Politics and Other Controversies forum, not here.

[bayoubengal1982]

Originally Posted by EzPeterson

You obviously do not understand what the word choice means. Regardless, this belongs in Politics and Other Controversies forum, not here.

I absolutley understand what choice means...it means women are ok with aborting their unbor children.

A rally also took place in Houston...this is the Houston forum

[Oleg Bach]

Abortion is extreme. The propagation of the extreme does a disservice to society. Moderation is key. You do not expose kids to extremism...If a parent is prone to push their beliefs on their children they had better do it in an honest manner...They must present both sides of this issue in an un-prejudiced manner. Nothing more stupid than an adult who was programmed at an early age to adhere to a doctrine that they have never given second thought too.

People who bring children to these types of events are no different than say a Nazi indoctrinating Hitler youth. Abortion has become a political issue and has strayed far from woman's reproductive rights....also these pro-choicers....what are they teaching their sons...That they as males or potential fathers have no reproductive rights what so ever?

[War Beagle]

Originally Posted by Oleg Bach

what are they teaching their sons...That they as males or potential fathers have no reproductive rights what so ever?

Actually, it is a good idea to teach sons that they don't have any reproductive rights, because they don't. The only reproductive right men have is the right to choose not to have sex. Otherwise, the man either pays for a child or doesn't pay at the whim of the female. The women, on the other hand, can legally terminate or abandon a child via a variety of legal means. Then there is the fact that if a women chooses to kill her unborn child, it's called an abortion, but if someone else does the same thing it is considered murder or manslaughter.

The bottom line is that family and reproductive law is a convoluted and contradictory mess that still assumes that it is 1920 and women are incapable of earning a living outside the home.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

Actually, it is a good idea to teach sons that they don't have any reproductive rights, because they don't. The only reproductive right men have is the right to choose not to have sex.

Bingo.

They ARE working on a pill for men. Other than that...vasectomy time!

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by bayoubengal1982

I absolutley understand what choice means...it means women are ok with aborting their unbor children.

A rally also took place in Houston...this is the Houston forum

This is the Texas forum - was this thread moved?

You have not a clue what choice means, and your logic is definitely faulty.

Maybe those who are bringing their children to rallies who are pro-choice (and usually a lot more pro-LIFE than those who claim the term, who are actually pro-BIRTH, based on all the available evidence, with the living being WAY down there on the list of importance to them) are there not only for the sake of themselves and their peers, but to preserve liberty for their children, so that their daughters' bodies are not subject to the legal whims of those who think that their religious beliefs should be legislatively forced on everyone else.

Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But consider this. If you support this kind of control over others, you have just said that it's fine and dandy for someone else to enforce choices that YOU find abhorrent on YOU, and you won't have a thing to say about it because you've already said that's a good thing to do. Or are you really so deluded that you think that no one is offended by anything you do and that if this country is allowed to go that way that it won't happen to you or your children? If so, trust me, once you've set that ball in motion, it WILL, sooner or later. Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

This is the Texas forum - was this thread moved?

You have not a clue what choice means, and your logic is definitely faulty.

Maybe those who are bringing their children to rallies who are pro-choice (and usually a lot more pro-LIFE than those who claim the term, who are actually pro-BIRTH, based on all the available evidence, with the living being WAY down there on the list of importance to them) are there not only for the sake of themselves and their peers, but to preserve liberty for their children, so that their daughters' bodies are not subject to the legal whims of those who think that their religious beliefs should be legislatively forced on everyone else.

Don't want an abortion? Don't get one. But consider this. If you support this kind of control over others, you have just said that it's fine and dandy for someone else to enforce choices that YOU find abhorrent on YOU, and you won't have a thing to say about it because you've already said that's a good thing to do. Or are you really so deluded that you think that no one is offended by anything you do and that if this country is allowed to go that way that it won't happen to you or your children? If so, trust me, once you've set that ball in motion, it WILL, sooner or later. Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.

TexasHorseLady is my hero.