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Old 07-10-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Thats weird, because baby boomers are also the people who put the republicans in congress, they want the tea party to cut spending, we can't touch medicare or social security. Doesn't that sound like being a hypocrite?
Baby boomers put both republicans and democrats in power. Neither party will do anything to upset the largest American voting block, they turn out more % of voters than any other generation plus they are also the largest generation in size. They are America, they have been for the last couple of decades and will be for 30 more years.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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How Social Security Has Changed Over the Years : NO QUARTER USA NET

For the most part Social Security is rather self sufficient, its the other spending which is bankrupting the country.
ok, then, where is the legislation for medicare and medicaid, and why isnt the tea party faction of the republican house going in front of every microphone they can find saying we need to do something about medicare and medicaid. Why aren't they introducing legislation 37 times for medicare and medicaid reform like they do for repeal of obamacare?
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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I nominate this thread for the "Least thought out, worst worded and biggest fail of the day" award.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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ok, then, where is the legislation for medicare and medicaid, and why isnt the tea party faction of the republican house going in front of every microphone they can find saying we need to do something about medicare and medicaid. Why aren't they introducing legislation 37 times for medicare and medicaid reform like they do for repeal of obamacare?
Social Security has tens of trillions of dollars in IOU's built up to fund its program. Why exactly are you suggesting we cut whats properly funded?
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Baby boomers put both republicans and democrats in power. Neither party will do anything to upset the largest American voting block, they turn out more % of voters than any other generation plus they are also the largest generation in size. They are America, they have been for the last couple of decades and will be for 30 more years.
no, according to tea party republicans, us liberals don't care about deficit or debt, its republicans, especially the tea party that is supposed to fiscally responsible. If the tea party is supposed to be fiscally responsible, they should screaming and doing everything they can to pass legislation to reform medicare and medicaid, yet we get 37 votes for repeal of obamacare and 1 budget passed by republicans that deals with medicare, where are the other 36 times?
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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ok, that is 1 time. Where are the other 36 times? Where the comments from tea party republicans about medicare and social security reform? Why did they allow the sequester to exempt medicare, medicaid, and social security. My whole point is, Republicans are waging a war on Obamacare, but I hear nothing about entitlement reform with our biggest drivers of debt.
Attacking Obamacare will drive votes to get a majority to address other things. Do I trust the GOP establishment to deliver reform? Not at all. That's why I support large turnovers in both parties and actually preferably a viable third party.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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According to the tea party fiscal hawks, all liberals want to do is tax and spend other people's money. The tea party came to washington to cut spending, yet the sequester doesn't touch Medicare(largest driver of our debt), Medicaid, and social security. Help me out here, you appeal Obamacare 37-40 times, even though you know its DOA in the Senate, yet since 2011, I haven't seen you Medicare reform or Social security reform 37 times. Why is that?
Medicare has already been cut in the healthcare bill. 500 billion was cut over ten years. But republican have never been for cuts to Medicare but reform of Medicare to make it sustainable going forward ;quite different . They also have called for reform of other program not sustainable ;not just cuts.When SS under Bush was called to review it was republicans who wanted to reform ;its was Demcorats who said it wasn't need and was sustainable remember. Republicans know that any reform means debate in committee and intake form all sectors to be governable .They know that otherwise it can end up like healthcare reform has we are now seeing starting to fall apart with not even support fro public going forward to fix the bill.it live or dies has passed unless the Democrats can get a super majority again. one has to be realistic which Obama and democrats have not been. Democrats went to a theory of pass it then sell it.They forgot that you need consent of the governed to govern and it does go down well once to didn't and your governing f start to fall apart. Democrats. basically own the healthcare bill by disallowing in put. Going forward even democrats admit that sequester cuts are only a down payment on more reforms and cuts to come. 50% where military budget cuts so Demcrats can't complain since they have called for them since I can remember. Just not there I future cuts. That means we can look at the real drivers of unsustainable spending in cuts without it has a distraction to spin. The public isn't calling for stopping the sequester spending as politicians thought they would either.It shows that public acceptance of cuts.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:43 AM
 
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Social Security has tens of trillions of dollars in IOU's built up to fund its program. Why exactly are you suggesting we cut whats properly funded?
Because according to the gop, medicare is the biggest driver of our debt and its not funded.

they constantly complain about reforming it, but i never see them pass legislation.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:04 PM
 
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Because according to the gop, medicare is the biggest driver of our debt and its not funded.

they constantly complain about reforming it, but i never see them pass legislation.
I posted where they did pass legislation. You even acknowledged it. No, they can not bring it to the floor in the Senate for a vote as they are the minority.
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Old 07-10-2013, 01:14 PM
 
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No one really knows what to do with Medicare. It's just too enormous and thorny of a problem. The Ryan plan - like others - is a joke. Any plan that purports to leave benefits completely unchanged for people "over 50" is not a serious plan; they are all variations on hoping for more economic growth in the future and/or dumping all the burden of cuts on younger people. Any serious reform plan would force everyone to take a hit, regardless of age.

No such plans seem to be forthcoming, which is what we'd expect, since any real solution would have to involve holding down medical expenses themselves - drug costs, end-of-life costs, and so on.
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