Why can't we have the kind of health care that has been demonstrated as superior in other rich countries? (salaries, Obama)
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Although the cost of manufacturing a drug is relatively low, the cost of developing a new drug is relatively high, and the United States' high drug prices allow the U.S. pharmaceutical industry to invent a disproportionately high share of all drugs.[3] Herper states that "A single clinical trial can cost $100 million at the high end, and the combined cost of manufacturing and clinical testing for some drugs has added up to $1 billion."[4] Although the United States comprises only 5% of the world's population, it accounts for 36% of worldwide research and development of pharmaceutical drugs.[3] A study by Battelle Memorial Institute estimated that drug research will 'save' more than $750 billion in treatment costs for just five illnesses (AIDS, heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, and arthritis) over the next 25 years.[3]Schizophrenia drugs which cost $4,500 per patient per year save more than $70,000 per patient per year by rendering hospitalization unnecessary.[5]
The statistics reflect that prices of brand name drugs in the United States are significantly higher than in Canada, India, the UK and other countries, nearly all of which have price controls.
All of the biggies maintain R&D centres in Canada and what do you suppose they're doing in those R & D centres, adjusting the size of the print on the packages perhaps?
The american medical system is a billing racket designed to enrich service providers. Doctors here are multi millionairs. RNs make big money. They don't in other countries. Neither Dems nor Republicans will mess with that,especially for the megarich doctors. There's a reason they left this racket in place for Obamacare.
American specialists make more than they would in other countries, but they also work more, higher tuition, higher liability costs, and have more requirements placed on them. GP make about the same and sometimes more in other countries. Though the median income for an American GP is only about $180,000, that is a far cry from multimillionaire status.
American GP's might even be underpaid. Financial engineers don't have to go to school as long or have any residency requirements and have a median income of $150,000.
I agree, but conservatives claim that national healthcare in these countries is so awful. You know, all those horror stories about needing to wait six months for an MRI. Life expectancy ought to be lower in that case. It isn't.
Not necessarily, MRI's aren't always needed so waiting for something that you don't actually need is of no real concern. Waiting 12 months for a hip replacement might be inconvenient, but it's hardly going to result in death.
Because many Americans can't stand the idea that poor people might actually have the same access to and the same medical care as people who are better off. Poor people don't deserve health care!
All of the biggies maintain R&D centres in Canada and what do you suppose they're doing in those R & D centres, adjusting the size of the print on the packages perhaps?
Aren't pharma companies required to invest a certain percentage of R&D inside Canada?
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Originally Posted by ellemint
Not Canada. It allows in tons of immigrants, which is a good thing, because the birth rate is too low to replace their population.
Canada allows illegal immigrants in? BS. Canada heavily fines companies that employ illegal labor and they deport immigrants with preexisting conditions as well as their illegal immigrants.
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Originally Posted by ellemint
Because many Americans can't stand the idea that poor people might actually have the same access to and the same medical care as people who are better off. Poor people don't deserve health care!
All of the biggies maintain R&D centres in Canada and what do you suppose they're doing in those R & D centres, adjusting the size of the print on the packages perhaps?
The placement of R&D facilities within a country doesn't mean much, if that placement is funded by other countries (such as United States).
The price controls of countries like france, canada, etc just cause these companies to raise prices in the US. Therefore US is subsidizing R&D. . .regadless of where it takes place
Companies will do R&D in the lowest cost, best educated places. . .or for tax breaks/etc.
What most Americans don't realize is that law suits and torts have negatively impacted the way medicine is practiced. They practice defensive medicine in everything. From ordering excessive testing to doctors not being able to be frank when providing diagnoses for fear of missing an extremely rare diagnosis. Drug addicts and criminals abuse the system and hospitals can't kick them out for fear of them hiring a lawyer and suing them. Patients are held too long because they threaten to sue if they are discharged too early (they are getting their narcotics and don't want to leave). Every chest pain patient has to be observed overnight in the rare incident that they have a heart attack; if the hospital discharges them and they have an MI even with no risk factors, they can and will sue the doctor and hospital. So guess what, everyone who has chest pain gets admitted and costs the taxpayers and health care system millions of dollars. Every patient who claims they feel faint o "may have passed out for 10 seconds" is admitted for syncope.
The amount of paperwork has quadrupled. The reason you are waiting so long in the ER is all the paperwork that has to be done thanks to threats of legal action.
If you want to see improved health care that is done at a fraction of it's current cost, provide protection to doctors and hospitals from frivolous lawsuits and provide some type of good samaritan law for hospitals and providers trying to do their job. Until that happens, nothing will change.
Foreign countries don't have the same type of legal system and litigious atmosphere that the United States has. They have a "loser pays" system to prevent frivolous lawsuits. Thus their hospitals and doctors don't order the same volume of tests and admit patients for b.s. reasons like they do now.
If not to mention they dont maintain militaries because they rest comfortably under the umbrella of our protection. I'd love to pull our troops out of the rest of the world and let them secure their own safety, security and sovereignty
Not to put too fine a point on it Boner, but we've been down this road before and you sir are simply repeating the same old bullcrap ad infinitum regardless of decades worth of proof to the contrary.
Though the median income for an American GP is only about $180,000, that is a far cry from multimillionaire status.
Look up how much they make in France.
GPs used to be upper middle class in America. I know this because it wasn't that long ago and I remember. Now they think they should be rich. So long as that is the case, healthcare will remain unaffordable and will bankrupt the country.
Why? Because America has a large population of Republicans who believe that socialized medicine will lead to tyranny, all while driving around on their scooters demanding that the government should keep their hands off of their medicare.
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