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Old 07-10-2013, 11:21 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I see, so there's really no point in hating the "irresponsible and special stupid people who abuse the responsibility of firearms ownership" as much as the previous poster does. Those people are going to obtain guns and kill people, including children, and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. It's just the price we have to pay for our freedom.

Right?
Do you adamantly fight for unborn children as well? The 1.2 million that are aborted each year in America?

Just wondering what price you accept for our freedom.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Do you adamantly fight for unborn children as well? The 1.2 million that are aborted each year in America?

Just wondering what price you accept for our freedom.
No "child" was ever aborted. By definition, a child cannot be aborted - only a fetus or embryo can.

Biology 101.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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At least cars serve a useful purpose and weren't actually designed to only kill human beings like handguns.
So the only use for a gun is to kill other humans? Stupid hunters, I always knew they were trying to kill me instead of those boars.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:24 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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what is there that can be done? why punish others for the actions of a insane criminal?
So there's no point in trying to prevent other insane criminals from obtaining guns so they can do the same thing?

How nihilistic.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:25 PM
 
Location: Central Jersey
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When a child (or anyone) is killed, it's tragic. But I think sometimes it's hard for pro and anti-gun folks to agree on what constitutes sensible gun policy because their life experiences in relation to guns are radically different. I say this as a non-gun owner who has been around many responsible gun owners.

Common Anti-Gun Perspectives: Guns are simply dangerous, unpredictable tools for killing, nothing more; Gun enthusiasts are mostly irresponsible (possibly racist?) rednecks who get off on power trips and killing defenseless animals; 2nd Amendment claims are just excuses for paranoid gun fetishists to get a hold of an arsenal; The NRA is just a powerful business lobby, out to exploit people's love of violence to make money; If I'm ever in danger (which I think is not likely) I know the police will help me.

Common Pro-Gun Perspectives: Guns are a hobby that allow me to practice a useful, challenging skill; Hunting and target shooting connect me to family traditions, a love of the outdoors, and good times with friends; Knowing how to use a gun in self-defense makes me feel more secure, and I feel I'm a better parent when I know I can protect my family from the evil intentions of others; Gun owners who don't practice safe and sensible gun-handling practices are dangerous, and give guns a bad name; Criminals who use guns in a crime should be held completely accountable and punished accordingly.

I hope I didn't paint the anti-gun perspective with too broad a brush. As I say, I'm not really "into" guns, and I myself have held opinions like the "anti-gun perspective" in the past. For my European family members, a handgun might as well be an atomic weapon, as there's little history of widespread gun ownership.

But, although we can agree that any child's accidental death is awful, how much, in a free society are we willing to sacrifice? If it could be shown that banning all firearms and imposing weekly home searches by the police decreased the number of innocent lives lost, would that be a price we'd be willing to pay?
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:25 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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No "child" was ever aborted. By definition, a child cannot be aborted - only a fetus or embryo can.

Biology 101.
If you purposefully kill someone else's unborn embryo you can be charged with murder, so which is it?
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:31 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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If you purposefully kill someone else's unborn embryo you can be charged with murder, so which is it?
It's not a child, it's an embryo.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:33 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's not a child, it's an embryo.
Then why is it murder? You already said you can't murder and embryo.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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No "child" was ever aborted. By definition, a child cannot be aborted - only a fetus or embryo can.

Biology 101.
you leftist always slit hairs. what about the children that were murder by Kermit Gosnell? some being 8 months old? yeah explain this away.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:35 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Then why is it murder? You already said you can't murder and embryo.
No, I said you can't abort a child.
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