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Old 07-11-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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This nuclear option should take out right-wing obstructionism. Pull the trigger, Dems. The enemy is fanatical.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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What goes around comes around. It's sort of strange that the house is in Republican hands but the Senate isn't. Given the way Senators are elected it should really be the other way around.

Given that, whatever rules the Dems put in place to strangle the filibuster may come back to haunt them if the Republicans take back the Senate, and keep those rules in place.
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Old 07-11-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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What goes around comes around. It's sort of strange that the house is in Republican hands but the Senate isn't. Given the way Senators are elected it should really be the other way around.

Given that, whatever rules the Dems put in place to strangle the filibuster may come back to haunt them if the Republicans take back the Senate, and keep those rules in place.
Yes, but we can still play the rest of the obstructionist cards that the GOP has honed to perfection since Jan. 21, 2009. We, too, can strangle the entire government with our minority refusal to govern in any way, shape or form. We, too, can make back room vows to block every single piece of legislation ever proposed, even legislation that we ourselves originally proposed.

I'm sure even Democrats have finally learned from the fine example set by the Congressional GOP.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:04 PM
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It is pretty clear to me that if the Republicans ever regain the majority in the Senate, and the Democrats pull even 1/4 of the bull that the Republicans have been pulling recently, then the GOP will ditch the filibuster entirely. By not doing so now, the Democrats are basically just giving the Republicans a gift.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Thank God President Obama has stopped talking about bipartisanism, as far as I know.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What goes around comes around. It's sort of strange that the house is in Republican hands but the Senate isn't. Given the way Senators are elected it should really be the other way around.
Actually, it's simply another symptom of the fading capacity of Republicans to win anything other than local elections. The larger the geography, the more difficult it is for Republicans to cobble together a winning coalition. Demographics are killing them.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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Let's see, Harry Reid has blocked legislation including his own legislation reform bill, and prevention of student loan interest rate hikes, and that is just in this session. Please continue to lecture on about "obstructionist" Republicans. Here's the thing, both sides do it, and whinge like spoiled children when the other side does it. This is nothing new. Nor is a Democrat seeking to "reform" parliamentary procedure to increase their advantage. Let a Republican try the same thing and watch Harry moan.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Actually, it's simply another symptom of the fading capacity of Republicans to win anything other than local elections. The larger the geography, the more difficult it is for Republicans to cobble together a winning coalition. Demographics are killing them.
Thank God for that as well. Norman Goldman was talking about Dems needing to concentrate on local elections on his program yesterday.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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This would have been great 4 years ago.
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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This nuclear option should take out right-wing obstructionism. Pull the trigger, Dems. The enemy is fanatical.
Didn't dimwits just filibuster over the abortion bill?
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