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They have even changed Jesus and the Bible to fit their ideology...
It's sick. This immorality and radicalization is what has driven me from conservatism.
"Driven me from conservatism"? You were never a "conservative" in the first place.
I find these "I hate conservatives and here is why" threads to be amusing, as they presume to KNOW what conservatives think, therefore they can create an "icon" to which they can vent thier hate and anger. It is analagous to "our" church (Catholic) in which icons are made as symbols of worship. In the church of liberalism, a stereotyped, demonic "conservative" is created in the mind of a liberal- it is easier to hate someone you depersonalize.
Why is it when liberals attack conservatives for "thier beliefs" (as imagined by liberals) they parody themselves as being narrow minded, hateful people who support illogical stereotypes?
It reminds me somewhat of the Nazi propaganda posters, depicting "The Jew" in a stylized characterization to which the public could vent thier hate. But then again, liberals have become fascists, so using those techniques is perfectly natural.
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"Driven me from conservatism"? You were never a "conservative" in the first place.
I find these "I hate conservatives and here is why" threads to be amusing, as they presume to KNOW what conservatives think, therefore they can create an "icon" to which they can vent thier hate and anger. It is analagous to "our" church (Catholic) in which icons are made as symbols of worship. In the church of liberalism, a stereotyped, demonic "conservative" is created in the mind of a liberal- it is easier to hate someone you depersonalize.
Why is it when liberals attack conservatives for "thier beliefs" (as imagined by liberals) they parody themselves as being narrow minded, hateful people who support illogical stereotypes?
It reminds me somewhat of the Nazi propaganda posters, depicting "The Jew" in a stylized characterization to which the public could vent thier hate. But then again, liberals have become fascists, so using those techniques is perfectly natural.
So caricatures of right wingers bother you? Political cartooning upsets you when it doesn't go your way? If you can dish it out, you certainly should be able to take it.
America knows what conservatives think because we get their views daily 24/7 via Faux News and other corporate media. We certainly do know all about the RW, and don't have to "presume" anything. The wealthy, corpulent, popular, misogynistic, Limbaugh himself is "America's voice of conservatism", so what makes you think we don't know? And you got "icons" of your own.
Hello Congressional conservatives and Fox "News". Remember their little "flag pin" campaign - and everything else is right there.
So you see, fascism is a government under control of corporations, the conservative base. Yet you throw a term around willy nilly just so you can engage in a hissy fit. Here's some real information for you - Fox is not "news and information".
Yep, a little awareness of current events tells us all about contemporary conservatism - you know, that which deems Bob Dole, Eisenhower, and even GWB (according to a Fox contributor), a "liberal".
So you see, fascism is a government under control of corporations, the conservative base
Due to your rotten grammar, I have to guess at what you mean here. I'm guessing that you meant to say that the the conservative base favors corporatism. The only problem is that this is not true. It was conservative Republican Phil Gramm (R, TX) who coined the term 'corporate welfare,' or at least popularized it. He saw it as a evil that should be eliminated or at least beaten back. Another political figured who has railed against corporatism is Sarah Palin: Sarah Palin: How Congress Occupied Wall Street - WSJ.com
Can you name one Democrat who is anti-corporatism? Certainly not Pres. Barack Obama. He supports corporate welfare to the hilt. Solyndra was his baby. The Exim bank was his dream. //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...e-welfare.html
Due to your rotten grammar, I have to guess at what you mean here. I'm guessing that you meant to say that the the conservative base favors corporatism. The only problem is that this is not true. It was conservative Republican Phil Gramm (R, TX) who coined the term 'corporate welfare,' or at least popularized it. He saw it as a evil that should be eliminated or at least beaten back. Another political figured who has railed against corporatism is Sarah Palin: Sarah Palin: How Congress Occupied Wall Street - WSJ.com
Can you name one Democrat who is anti-corporatism? Certainly not Pres. Barack Obama. He supports corporate welfare to the hilt. Solyndra was his baby. The Exim bank was his dream. //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...e-welfare.html
You want to start correcting grammar now? We can do it. It is totally correct - the statement says that in government, corporations are the conservative base - meaning who conservatives answer to.
First of all, why don't you pay attention to government rather than just ask me to name democrats? You're asking me so you can continue to be entertained by Fox News without lifting a finger?
On Obama: he is not a liberal just because Fox says he is. Obama has done many things that liberals don't like - so why don't you know this? Oh yeah, Limbaugh says...
Fox, Limbaugh, and the rest are America's voice of conservatism - and I believe that.
I talk about liberals, you bring up Democrats - yeah there are conservative democrats. Who doesn't know this? The entire progressive democratic caucus wants to get money out of politics. Again, why don't you know about them?
So who doesn't want to get money out of politics? Conservative congresspeople who are blocking all attempts at reform. Now you will ask "What attempts"?
The question is, are conservatives in general pro laissez faire unregulated capitalism - that is what trickle-down Reaganomics is all about. Again, you are unaware of this?
Your Cato link is to a woefully incomplete sales pitch. You think people are fooled?
Quote " Author Timothy Carney will discuss how the incestuous relationship between big business and even bigger government works to the detriment of consumers, taxpayers, and entrepreneurs".
Couldn't you be a bit more vague? Just what I would expect from Cato - it's really about big, big government. Trickle-down is about deregulated corporate influence and a weakened government. That's what the RW "big govt" fear is all about, and it has been the conservative republican plan for Wall Street since Reagan. Now you're telling us that conservatives are suddenly against all this?
BTW, it's rude to expect us to download your freakin' MP3 file.
Now Palin.
Quote "The tea party's mission has always been opposition to waste and crony capitalism, and the Occupy protesters must realize that Washington politicians have been "Occupying Wall Street" long before anyone pitched a tent in Zuccotti Park".
Is this supposed to be an admonition of Occupy? It appears to support their mission.
First of all do not keep referencing either Cato or Palin - who, like Romney, just speaks for the moment. The statement above is not true. The Tea Party has been co-opted by its big donors, mainly the Kochs, and it now acts and speaks for them - unless there is some breaking news there. Haven't heard about that?
Like most people: republicans, conservatives, democrats, and liberals alike, the O.P conflates conservatism (or insert other political values system) with a specific political party.
Republicans do not define conservatism, nor does religion. Nor can conservatism be redefined.
Conservatism is not inherently religious. Rather, religion is an ancient method of instilling conservative values, as well as liberal values, which the figureheads decide should be foisted on the populace. An atheistic state could be perfectly conservative if the population were willing and able to adhere to a conservative values system without the foundation of religion to enforce those values. A population imbued with fanatical religion could be perfectly liberal, even communist (in theory), depending on the values espoused by the religion at the time.
An important correction to a common modern misconception about politics is that conservatism is only indirectly an economic values system. All politics originate and primarily operate in the social sphere. Economics are manipulated largely to move individuals (in a liberal economic system) or groups (in a conservative economic system) toward greater power. However, sociopolitical success is what gives them this power to make such broad economic decisions for a nation (or themselves). If you pay attention, you will often hear or read the MSM referring to our current economic model as a "liberal market system" and they refer to our encouragement of the spread of "liberal market values". They speak the truth. Our current system rewards individuals (a liberal value and function of a liberal economic system) at the expense of the group ("the people").
Conservatism is a set of immutable values that arise from a working social model that encompasses all human political interaction. Therefore, despite any actions or words from republicans or democrats that attempt to change the definition of conservatism to match their actions or political agenda, the model is the source that will always define whether or not a particular political stance or action is to the right or left of another. No modern human's opinion outweighs the truth of human political interaction as it has been observed over the past several thousand years.
Conservatism will always exist as it has always existed, and almost anything different from that political structure will always be "to the left". There is no such thing as "modern" conservatism or "modern" liberalism. Such redefinitions almost always indicate that a political party has inflected it's identity as conservative or liberal with certain stances or values of the opposing system. It's pure, superficial re-branding, nothing more and nothing less. However, it doesn't redefine the actual system any more so than calling the color blue another color makes it a true statement.
This is also why the term "progressive" is an intellectually awful misnomer that amounts to nothing more than a psychologically devious piece of propaganda, as there is nothing new about liberalism and nothing old about conservatism. They are antipodes of human political interaction as we know it and have always known it, each having a specific purpose and effect. If anything, conservatism is the evolutionarily newer political system that was developed when humans first developed the family unit that would later become the community unit and greater society.
Liberalism can be better said to have originated from when humans had not yet socially evolved to develop the family unit and they therefore lacked the ability to better co-operate with one another on the hostile plain, a state of affairs that may harken back to our less physiologically evolved past. That is the other point in our history when we were "individuals", but not by choice.
Hence, conservatism is the politics of the group. Liberalism is the politics of the individual. This will be a new concept to most, but it's true and you can find evidence in it in the definitions and effects of modern economics and politics if you haven't worked the entire model out yet for yourself.
The term "liberal democracy" is a good example of a political give-away term. Democracy is speciously about the politics of the individual ("one man one vote"!) Democracy cynically appeals to the political power of the individual (a cynicism which is difficult to deny given the lack of care for the greater good by our government). "The political power of the individual" is a firm contradiction of terms. What they don't tell you is that the individual is non-effective in a democracy, or in any other system, in the face of the power of politically effective groups. A small politically interconnected group will always have more political power than larger swaths of individuals.
Think about what the co-operative root nature of politics means for your personal politics and the political effectiveness of "the people" as individuals in a democratic society. Think about why you may have been misled to believe that conservatism is the politics of the individual and liberalism the politics of the group.
What if if liberalism's primary function is to destroy politically effective groups of all stripes? Just entertain the idea. Think about the fact that deep, inter-generational group co-operation is what coveys meaningful political power. Think about what it means, in terms of human social interaction, for co-operation to be the root of all effective politics. If this is accepted as true, then think about how the family unit fits into the structure of human political effectiveness and success. These laws of political human interaction are immutable. If you give this paradigm its due, you should be thinking for a while.
So caricatures of right wingers bother you? Political cartooning upsets you when it doesn't go your way? If you can dish it out, you certainly should be able to take it.
America knows what conservatives think because we get their views daily 24/7 via Faux News and other corporate media. We certainly do know all about the RW, and don't have to "presume" anything. The wealthy, corpulent, popular, misogynistic, Limbaugh himself is "America's voice of conservatism", so what makes you think we don't know? And you got "icons" of your own.
Hello Congressional conservatives and Fox "News". Remember their little "flag pin" campaign - and everything else is right there.
So you see, fascism is a government under control of corporations, the conservative base. Yet you throw a term around willy nilly just so you can engage in a hissy fit. Here's some real information for you - Fox is not "news and information".
Yep, a little awareness of current events tells us all about contemporary conservatism - you know, that which deems Bob Dole, Eisenhower, and even GWB (according to a Fox contributor), a "liberal".
Fascism was the creation of socialist Mussolini. How you came to the conclusion that that's the same as corporatism is beyond the realm of political science. You simply made that up or went googling for confirmation through your bias.
I got an idea, go read about Mussolini and then get back to us. After that you can read about the micromanaged economy of the Nazis. Nazism was fascism with a religious and bigoted twist. That doesn't change the fact that both were created by socialist. Statist. Nationalist. All believe in the same thing, control of the state and with that power.
Regarding plutocrats operating in early America. The nation was founded by "plutocrats" who created the entire sovereign private property rights that you get to enjoy today. Maybe you ought to think about this whole thing a little more before going on your next rant.
Fascism was the creation of socialist Mussolini. How you came to the conclusion that that's the same as corporatism is beyond the realm of political science. You simply made that up or went googling for confirmation through your bias.
I got an idea, go read about Mussolini and then get back to us. After that you can read about the micromanaged economy of the Nazis. Nazism was fascism with a religious and bigoted twist. That doesn't change the fact that both were created by socialist. Statist. Nationalist. All believe in the same thing, control of the state and with that power.
Regarding plutocrats operating in early America. The nation was founded by "plutocrats" who created the entire sovereign private property rights that you get to enjoy today. Maybe you ought to think about this whole thing a little more before going on your next rant.
The Wall Street/Congress revolving door, the promise of cushy lobbying jobs for those in congress "friendly" to desired legislation, is the reality in our government today, and embraced by congressional conservatives. Due to this, some corporations are virtually writing their own legislation regardless of what ordinary Americans want. You do know about this, do you not?
Contemporary American conservatives in government who embrace this system are not "socialists".
Plutocracy (rule by a wealthy class) is antithetical to democracy and representative government, and the fact that you support it is just further proof of not only your own views, but the "immorality of modern conservatism". This is further evidence, which you have provided, that many modern conservatives are in reality plutocrats.
Conservatives love to call people "un-American" for criticizing corporate malfeasance, and this is still more evidence of RW anti-democracy views which your media voices attempt to hide, while at the same time promoting those views. That's the "talent" of "news sources" like Fox.
So, you admire the plutocrats we have had in government, and think Americans should do the same, eh? As a conservative emissary yourself, that pretty much says it all.
BTW Corporate Repubs, "republican" means "representative government" of the people, not of a wealthy class. When did y'all lose sight of that?
The Wall Street/Congress revolving door, the promise of cushy lobbying jobs for those in congress "friendly" to desired legislation, is the reality in our government today, and embraced by congressional conservatives. Due to this, some corporations are virtually writing their own legislation regardless of what ordinary Americans want. You do know about this, do you not?
Contemporary American conservatives in government who embrace this system are not "socialists".
Plutocracy (rule by a wealthy class) is antithetical to democracy and representative government, and the fact that you support it is just further proof of not only your own views, but the "immorality of modern conservatism". This is further evidence, which you have provided, that many modern conservatives are in reality plutocrats.
Conservatives love to call people "un-American" for criticizing corporate malfeasance, and this is still more evidence of RW anti-democracy views which your media voices attempt to hide, while at the same time promoting those views. That's the "talent" of "news sources" like Fox.
So, you admire the plutocrats we have had in government, and think Americans should do the same, eh? As a conservative emissary yourself, that pretty much says it all.
BTW Corporate Repubs, "republican" means "representative government" of the people, not of a wealthy class. When did y'all lose sight of that?
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: the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction
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often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
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: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
Which two of these are alike and which one is incongruous with the other two?
You see, you can't have corporations running the means of production and the government running the means of production at the same time.
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The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone
~1932 Article by Mussolini and Gentile for Enciclopedia Italiana~
"Driven me from conservatism"? You were never a "conservative" in the first place.
I find these "I hate conservatives and here is why" threads to be amusing, as they presume to KNOW what conservatives think
Yeah, because none of us can read the thousands of posts from self-described cons on this forum that prove the OP right daily.
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You were never a "conservative" in the first place. 
