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I don't think Trayvon was on the phone to Rachel during the confrontation.
The phone records show the calls between Trayvon and her. The records don't lie, and they line up with the timeline of the other evidence. Also her testimony matches Georges, for the first part of the incident.
There was no direct order. The dispatch operator testified that they are not allowed to give orders per their policy. His words were " we don't need you to do that". Upon which Zim started heading back to his truck. That's when the altercation took place.
You are leaving out the entire conversation about where Zimmerman would be for the police. This part of the conversation occurred after the part where the operator told him not to follow.
I guess you missed the part where the dispatcher himself testified that it was not an order or you are intentionally ignoring it.
But IMO if a police dispatcher instructs me to do or not to do something I will listen to them. Because I'm sure they have more training in whatever situation I would be calling them for. Wouldn't most adults follow the directions of a 911 dispatcher, and what was GZ's state of mind that made him believe he shouldn't/didn't have to listen?
You're a teenager and a grown ass man with a gun is CHASING you, punching him running up to you isn't self defense?
And if you're a grown ass man with a gun literally chasing a teenager down and he punches you and you kill him with your gun that is not self defense nor standing your ground, you were chasing him down against the reccomendations of the police and he was trying to defend himself.
And that's all if Trayvon did indeed deliver the first blow, it could've gone either way.
None of that applies where I live. We don't have stand your ground, but punching someone that is no threat to you is assault. If someone is chasing you because they want to attack you then you can attack them, but people don't randomly start chasing other people where I live. Most likely, if someone is chasing you then you did something like rob them.
The evidence in the GZ case doesn't support your vision of events. You may want to think that GZ chased down TM, but the prosecutor doesn't even think that.
But IMO if a police dispatcher instructs me to do or not to do something I will listen to them. Because I'm sure they have more training in whatever situation I would be calling them for. Wouldn't most adults follow the directions of a 911 dispatcher, and what was GZ's state of mind that made him believe he shouldn't/didn't have to listen?
Most people would stay in their car/truck and let the police handle it. Zimmerman probably would have done the same if he wasn't carrying a gun that he said he forgot about.
But IMO if a police dispatcher instructs me to do or not to do something I will listen to them. Because I'm sure they have more training in whatever situation I would be calling them for. Wouldn't most adults follow the directions of a 911 dispatcher, and what was GZ's state of mind that made him believe he shouldn't/didn't have to listen?
He was not obligated to listen to him. What other people would do in the same situation has no bearing on what the law is.
Who did the "engaging"?
From what I have read, TM attacked GZ, not the other way around.
If so, he must have circled around deliberately to make the attack.
Was GZ's weapon in his hand, or in the holster?
If it was in his hand, was it pointed at TM when the attack occurred?
IMO, if it is true that TM was on top of GZ beating him, the claim of self defense is viable.
But according to you, Martin was fearful when he attacked him, and under stand your ground, if you fear for your safety, you have a right to attack.
I guess you missed the part where the dispatcher himself testified that it was not an order or you are intentionally ignoring it.
He did say that they can only make suggestions. But this whole trial and all the comments I am hearing on the Internet and MSM is centered on GZ getting out of his vehicle. Even though it is not an illegal act, they are making it out as though it were.
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