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Originally Posted by Cavaturaccioli
YouCan shoot someone if you're losing a fight for your life.
Zimmerman's defense said that the fight for his life did not happen until Trayvon say the gun, a gun he could not have possibly seen.
so no, he wasnt in a fight for his life as Trayvon was only using his fist. However,since Zimmerman had a gun, doesnt that mean Martin was in a fight for his life ?
A lot of people would say, that depends. Lets say you saw someone doing something suspicious, like for example, walking out of your neighbor's garage with a box full of tools. Heck, your neighbor may have given him permission to use them...just becasue he picked them up in the middle of the night and didn't turn any lights on doesn't prove anything. You call the police and they say they are on their way and ask which way he went. You watch him heading through back yards in the area. Would it be "unreasonable" to follow him from a distance, while talking the police in on your cell phone and telling dispatch where he is going? And if doing so, would it not be reasonable to be carrying a means of protection?
Most would probably agree that approaching and attempting to physically restrain a complete stranger that you identified as suspicious isn't a smart thing to do. But we have no indication at all that GZ did so.
The last thing the police want is a confused situation.
Horsing around in the service my head hit a steel deck I saw stars and I had no blood. I also didn't know what day it was for about an hour. I was concussed. LOL
by others, you mean the Defense because they agreed to them too. but all that is your opinion anyways.
Sure they agreed. But it was the Prosecution assuming and hoping they will convict on emotion, since no evidence supports their case. I just find it funny how many of the people who are against stereotyping people, are cheerleading the way the State used this stereotyping to try and get a conviction.
But that happens in fights all the time, the point of using the gun is to match force with force and the medical examiner's testimony says that Trayvon was not using that much force.
whether you think he was justified in defending himself is one thing, but we are talking about the amount of force it took. Zimmerman's defense was that he HAD to kill Martin, not because of the fight, but because Martin was grabbing for the gun, a gun that Marin could not possibly see at that point.
Zimmerman's entire account of what happened is not possible, there were no bushes, His shirt was not wet on the back side, his gun was behind him, not on his side, no transfer of blood, no blood on the concrete.
The thing is that it isn't even about using great force, the right hit in the right spot could easily kill a man and that is what makes me think of self defense as plausible in this case.
As for grabbing the gun, I don't know about that one as I have not seen much as far as facts to back that off. However, you can easily feel the gun and grab it without having to see it, but that is just speculation on my part.
Wasn't there a cop that testified about the back of Zimmerman's clothes being wet? I believe that is what one of the witnesses said when I was watching a recap this morning. But, we only have one side of the story so we will probably never know what actually happened.
But that happens in fights all the time, the point of using the gun is to match force with force and the medical examiner's testimony says that Trayvon was not using that much force.
whether you think he was justified in defending himself is one thing, but we are talking about the amount of force it took. Zimmerman's defense was that he HAD to kill Martin, not because of the fight, but because Martin was grabbing for the gun, a gun that Marin could not possibly see at that point.
Zimmerman's entire account of what happened is not possible, there were no bushes, His shirt was not wet on the back side, his gun was behind him, not on his side, no transfer of blood, no blood on the concrete.
Maybe its just me, but it seems to me that with all the speculating going on, because not much was proven in the trial, that there is not enough information known to put a man in prison for 25 years to life. Look at the trial, a lot of speculation and few facts that provide enough information. Look at all the Zimmerman threads. 95% speculation. Why should someone be sent to prison for 25 years to life, off of speculation?
You who want Zimmerman found Guilty, will be the first to say this exact thing in another trial where you happen to back the Defendant.
It is perfectly okay to hate Zimmerman. You can think of him as a liar if you wish. But it is absolutely unjust to convict based on the trial we just witnessed and speculation. Why wont some of you admit that?
Because, Rachel Jeantel was talking to TM on the phone, and unfortunately for GZ, she testified as such.
If YOU were TM, would YOU want me to believe anything other than what the last person YOU were talking to said in court?
And what exactly did she say? Did she think he was scared, or was it a quote from him?
Enough with the "if you were TM" crap, I am trying to talk facts with you, but you seem intent on ignoring most of them and trying to use emotion.
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