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Old 07-12-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Originally Posted by SourD View Post
So George shot him the back while he was running away?
TM was running from GZ out of fear, and had every right to stop and "stand his ground", even if that meant hitting GZ in the nose or slamming his head on the concrete.

 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Does anyone here think that Zimmerman's injuries justify the use of deadly force?
what we think and what the law allows are 2 different things.
No I dont think GZ was beaten all that bad. Marcia Brady had a worse looking nose after a basket ball bounced off it.
I don't believe that TM was trying to kill GZ. If he was GZ would look a lot worse.
None of that matters.
What matters is the law. I believe GZ was afraid for his life. The prosecution failed to prove that he wasn't.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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TM was running from GZ out of fear, and had every right to stop and "stand his ground".
How do you know he was running out of fear? Nobody knows that. The only person that would be able to tell you is Martin. You can't say that as if it were a fact.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:28 PM
 
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As the law states, you do not even have to be touched to use deadly force. You only need to feel threatened that you will be harmed.
It has to be to the level that a reasonable person would be in fear for their life or great bodily harm.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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It was more an appeal to emotion than the facts of the case. They made a lot of references to GZ having 'hate in his heart'. How you prove that or how probative it is is beyond me. Seems to me if they wanted to demonstrate hate on Zimmerman's part at the moment he fired they'd have to take the trouble to bring up past hateful acts. They didn't did they?
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They are not allowed to.
Then it seems unfair to allow the prosecution to allege it -unless, of course, Zimmerman uttered something hateful at the fatal moment.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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TM was running from GZ out of fear, and had every right to stop and "stand his ground", even if that meant hitting GZ in the nose or slamming his head on the concrete.
Ummmmm, no, not at all. It has to be a REASONABLE fear. Being paranoid isn't reasonable.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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what we think and what the law allows are 2 different things.
No I dont think GZ was beaten all that bad. Marcia Brady had a worse looking nose after a basket ball bounced off it.
I don't believe that TM was trying to kill GZ. If he was GZ would look a lot worse.
None of that matters.
What matters is the law. I believe GZ was afraid for his life. The prosecution failed to prove that he wasn't.
It also has to be what a reasonable person would consider as a threat to their life or serious bodily harm.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The main point I've learned is if you do use a weapon in SD, you keep your mouth shut and keep repeating...

"I was in fear of my life" Repeat over and over.
Me too. That is a scary thing too. Road rage guy comes to your car and he has a gun. You shout at him and get out of your car also. Bang he shoots you. I was afraid for my life he jumped out of his car at me. He was threatening me.... maybe no threats happened but no witness to disprove it either.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: DFW
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It has to be to the level that a reasonable person would be in fear for their life or great bodily harm.
If Trayvon was beating YOU like he did GZ, You would be in fear for your life.

You would probably take less than what GZ received to believe. You're a reasonable person.

Doesn't matter if your male or female, big or little, young or old.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 12:31 PM
 
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How do you know he was running out of fear?
All I know is what Rachel Jeantel (the girl who was talking to TM on the phone) said, and I would feel the same way if YOU were in TM's position.

Would GZ be innocent if YOU were in TM's position? I doubt it.
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