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Old 07-12-2013, 07:08 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Yes.

Even more than a fair trial.

Maybe the question should be: did Trayvon get the representation HE deserved?
The state brought in special prosecutors and had unlimited funds.

TM could not have had better attorneys. Better than most would ever receive.

 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:10 PM
 
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When I was in high school, I went through a similar phase. I wasn't a criminal, but I guess I dressed the part. I used to be comfortable wearing du-rags, baggy sweats, and ridiculously large t-shirts with hoodies. But I've also been car-jacked, and robbed at gun point twice, once while near my university's campus and the other alongside my mom. Those experiences have made me much more alert when I'm walking on the street. If I saw Zimmerman, in that time of day, I'd absolutely react in the same way, not because I'm a "thug," but because my experiences have taught me not to trust people following you for no reason. Plus, if he has a gun and is up to no good, I won't have time to run away.

This talk about using guns in scuffles is quite sad to be honest. It speaks to how immune we've become to the idea of killing human beings. I went from "thug lookalike, to a law graduate because I was fortunate to be given the opportunity to grow and mature. TM doesn't get that opportunity because he got profiled. It was a poor choice and reckless decision by Zimmerman and he should get charged, not with 2nd degree, but with manslaughter. Not just because he's guilty by definition, but because conviction also serves society as a deterrent, to prevent that type of behavior in the future. I think we can all agree that next time, it's best to report "suspicious individuals" to the cops and stay out of it.
Thank you for another voice. Many of us agree with you about George and his very poor choices.

I too am saddened by reading so many heartless comments about the death of a young person. It seems inhumane to consider what George did to be acceptable and applauded by some. We will never know the truth.

I am praying for the jurors. I do not hate George, but I do think he should be accountable for his actions. I also do not believe anything that he said happened after he got off the 911 call.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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The judge gave the jury and prosecutor's an out: Manslaughter. The jury will convict him of manslaughter, the prosecution will say that is a just conclusion, Zimmerman spends 4-6 years in prison, end of story. Had the judge not included manslaughter in the jury instructions and left it 2nd degree murder, Zimmerman would have walked. Not now. Now he is toast.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Or just pull out your gun and shoot him...
What if you have your big honky-ass holding your gun down while you're taking a lesson in English?
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Actually, to tell the whole truth, he took a class that included the stand your ground law.
No one could say (prove) that GZ attended that particular class, or day.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:14 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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The judge gave the jury and prosecutor's an out: Manslaughter. The jury will convict him of manslaughter, the prosecution will say that is a just conclusion, Zimmerman spends 4-6 years in prison, end of story. Had the judge not included manslaughter in the jury instructions and left it 2nd degree murder, Zimmerman would have walked. Not now. Now he is toast.
I hope you're right.

And, being a felon, he will never be allowed to legally possess a gun again, which would be great for society.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:14 PM
 
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What if you have your big, honky ass holding your gun down while you're taking a lesson in English?
Hey, all you gun trainers out there!

Answer this question.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: 53179
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The judge gave the jury and prosecutor's an out: Manslaughter. The jury will convict him of manslaughter, the prosecution will say that is a just conclusion, Zimmerman spends 4-6 years in prison, end of story. Had the judge not included manslaughter in the jury instructions and left it 2nd degree murder, Zimmerman would have walked. Not now. Now he is toast.
Don't every body on jury have to agree?
If so, I'm not so sure. Hung jury more likely.
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:15 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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If Zimmerman was not armed, there is no way he follows a 6'2 teenager in the dark.
That makes no difference...
 
Old 07-12-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Out in the stix
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The judge gave the jury and prosecutor's an out: Manslaughter. The jury will convict him of manslaughter, the prosecution will say that is a just conclusion, Zimmerman spends 4-6 years in prison, end of story. Had the judge not included manslaughter in the jury instructions and left it 2nd degree murder, Zimmerman would have walked. Not now. Now he is toast.
I believe that is a strong possibility, the longer they deliberate the more likely I think that outcome is. Or a hung jury. Murder 2 no chance.
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