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Old 07-12-2013, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Though not exactly the same, the election of Reagan took place during an economic crisis and signaled an era of change from a very unpopular Carter. Obama is no doubt the liberal Reagan. He is very popular with everyone except the far right which he couldn't please no matter what he did. However, in everyday conversation with liberals you can almost expect Bush to be brought up. Obama has done some things, such as wiretapping, that have disappointed the entire nation even those who voted for him. When you ask them about it, the answer is generally Bush was as bad or worse. Obama still has not taken ownership of the economy (which is getting better just very slowly) and blames Bush for the lackluster recovery despite having been in control of it for 5 years. Anything Obama does wrong, it is always justified because Bush was worse. Bush hasn't been President for 5 years now so its time for Obama to be judged on his own merits rather than by how bad Bush was.

I don't remember so much obsession with Carter during the 1980s but there could have been.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Brining up Bush is a deflection from addressing the lack luster performance of Obama. People do not like to be wrong.

The best is when dems talk about bush signing the patriot act and how horible that was, then they get all "I don't know what your talking about" when you mention Obama signed it as well.

I can't speak towards Reagan/Carter since I was only a couple years old during regans presidency.
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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They were too love with Reagan to think about Carter. They are obsessed with Obama however .

I don't hear Bush mentioned too often anymore, most of the time it's a punchline to a joke
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Old 07-12-2013, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Politics are different now. Back then the Republicans were still reeling from the Nixon fiasco and the subsequent President Ford pardon. Carter was an unknown conservative Democratic governor from a southern state when elected with the hope that he would bring something different than the usual politics of war and corruption. No war or corruption, to his credit occurred in his administration, but he was lackluster and uninspirational, and things did not get better.

Reagan was the anti-Carter. Well-scripted and polished with a resonating message I think people were focused on Reagan rather than on Carter. Things got better under Reagan, but war and corruption crept back as well.

You don't really blame previous administrations when things are going well. However, some good things that were credited to Reagan actually began under the Carter administration, for example, de-regulation of the airlines.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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That doesn't really make any sense, who still talks about Bush? Its the right wingers complaining about Obama probably literally 20x more than Dems complaining about Bush. I also think Republicans didnt hate Carter as much as they hate Obama as he is a southern white guy who was more conservative and the South got him elected in the first place.
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Old 07-12-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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That doesn't really make any sense, who still talks about Bush? Its the right wingers complaining about Obama probably literally 20x more than Dems complaining about Bush. I also think Republicans didnt hate Carter as much as they hate Obama as he is a southern white guy who was more conservative and the South got him elected in the first place.
People talk about Obama because he is the president and is in charge.
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Old 07-12-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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carter wasnt a bad guy, he was just rather naive about running the country. he did run a state at one time, but his policies, while not good ones, were not harmful either, and he didnt try to change the country like obama is doing. when reagan came into office he did so with optimism for the future, and he tried hard to keep the promises he made during his campaign, obama hasnt done that either. in the end, no republicans were not as obsessed with carter as democrats are with bush.
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Old 07-12-2013, 06:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Are you serious? Republicans are STILL obsessed with Carter. It was much worse back then. Over 30 years and several presidents later they still just can't put the Jimmy Carter presidency behind them.

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As McCain (usually not a big John McCain fan) said, "We will get a chance to see what the second term of Jimmy Carter would have looked like".

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Old 07-12-2013, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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They were too love with Reagan to think about Carter. They are obsessed with Obama however .

I don't hear Bush mentioned too often anymore, most of the time it's a punchline to a joke
Actually note, this is from Reagan's 1983 State of the Union where he still blamed Carter:

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"The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
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Old 07-12-2013, 06:23 PM
 
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Are you serious? Republicans are STILL obsessed with Carter. It was much worse back then.

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its a comparison of two bad presidents, and trying to decide which one is worse, imo obama is far worse than carter ever was. but in the end republicans dont blame carter for everything under the sun like democrats do with bush43.
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