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Old 07-14-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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Reid is having a meeting next week with the Senate to maybe dump the filibuster rule for non judicial Presidential appointments. I fully support that. The filibuster should have been dumped when Bill Frist was going to do it when the Republicans were in charge. The Constitution requires 50+1 vote in the Senate except for treaties and veto overrides. I am for super majorities being required for judicial appointments as well because we are stuck with them for life long after the President that appointed them is gone. But the President should be able to appoint the cabinet and department heads he desires with minimal interference from other branches.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:35 PM
 
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If you're a Democrat be careful what you wish for.... 2014 is coming and there is many vulnerable seats currently held by Democrats up for reelection.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Careful what you wish for.... 2014 is coming.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 07-14-2013, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I think it is high time. Politics aside it seems entirely reasonable that a president ought to be able to have whomever he wants on his team. A simple majority of the senate should be all that is required. As for 2014, even if the Reps win, they would not put the rule back in. Both sides realize it is wrong, but there is some perceived gain to be made by opposing the change if you are a Republican (or Democrat depending on who is in the majority). And, keep in mind that the only thing being discussed is changing the rule for presidential appointments to the executive branch - not judges as the Republicans were going to do when they last had the Senate.
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Old 07-14-2013, 03:09 PM
 
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If you're a Democrat be careful what you wish for.... 2014 is coming and there is many vulnerable seats currently held by Democrats up for reelection.
exactly. remember that the republicans take back the senate. dont forget that the senate was set up to protect the minority in this country, which is why the filibuster rules are what they are. and dont forget that when the republicans were the majority in the senate, and the filibuster rules were up for change, it was the democrats that screamed about how unfair it would be to change those rules.
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Old 07-14-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Should be interesting. Although if the Dumbs decide to change these rules, and the repubs regain control in the future, they might have a little buyers remorse.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:33 PM
 
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If you're a Democrat be careful what you wish for.... 2014 is coming and there is many vulnerable seats currently held by Democrats up for reelection.
I am a Democrat and, as I stated, I supported it when the GOP was going to do it. We choose Presidents to do what they were elected to do. They are fully entitled to have the team they want. And yes, there vulnerable seats held by Democrats but no big deal because the one seat they don't have is the one at 1600 Pennsylvania and they will not have that seat for many many years to come.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: NJ
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The filibuster should be eliminated for everything. We'd see fewer extremists nominated if the fear of being in the minority were higher.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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exactly. remember that the republicans take back the senate. dont forget that the senate was set up to protect the minority in this country, which is why the filibuster rules are what they are. and dont forget that when the republicans were the majority in the senate, and the filibuster rules were up for change, it was the democrats that screamed about how unfair it would be to change those rules.
The Senate was not set up to protect the minority. It was set up to protect the interest of states. It does protect the minority just by the fact that every state gets 2 Senators regardless of population. That is enough protection. We don't need every vote in the Senate to require 61 or 67 votes.
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Old 07-14-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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The filibuster should be eliminated for everything. We'd see fewer extremists nominated if the fear of being in the minority were higher.
I would keep it ONLY for judicial appointments because they are lifetime appointments and we are stuck with them long after the President that appointed them is gone. Because of that, very careful consideration and consensus should be built for Federal judges. But the President is fully entitled to choose his cabinet and department heads because they leave when he does.
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