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Old 02-15-2014, 01:23 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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If he was so terrified, then drive away and leave.

He executed that teenager, plain and simple.

 
Old 02-15-2014, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Gurbie View Post
A homicide doesn't have to premeditated for a finding of malice. It is present in the number of rounds Dunn fired, some as his target was fleeing, and his callous behavior afterward.
Actually, none of those constitute first degree murder under Florida statute.

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782.04 Murder.—

(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:1. When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the death of the person killed or any human being;
2. When committed by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:a. Trafficking offense prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
b. Arson,
c. Sexual battery,
d. Robbery,
e. Burglary,
f. Kidnapping,
g. Escape,
h. Aggravated child abuse,
i. Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult,
j. Aircraft piracy,
k. Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb,
l. Carjacking,
m. Home-invasion robbery,
n. Aggravated stalking,
o. Murder of another human being,
p. Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person,
q. Aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death,
r. Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of terrorism; or

3. Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium, or methadone by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.


Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
 
Old 02-15-2014, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Assumes facts not in evidence.
Dunn claims he "thought" he saw a gun. Then he had time to open his glove compartment, remove the gun from the holster, chamber a round in the gun and shoot. Seems as if he was "scared for his life" when he "thought" he saw the gun, he had plenty of time to move his car away from the car of teens. One fact in evidence--no shotgun was found anywhere in the vicinity of the store or surrounding areas. If the teens had thrown anything from the car, they only had three minutes to do so, and it is very difficult to believe nobody would notice someone in a car full of bullet holes throwing a shotgun out of the car or that if the weapon had been found, someone would not have turned it in to the cops.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 01:44 PM
 
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If it was plain and simple it would have been resolved well before now...so it ain't.

It has to be a mess. A person who appears in control and rational claims to have fired after having seen a shotgun pointed out of the car.

The way it all went down it is very hard to disprove that. And this is "reasonable doubt" country.

They may find him guilty of something but it won't be first degree murder...and will likely be a compromise as they feel he did wrong but it is not past a reasonable doubt.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
Dunn claims he "thought" he saw a gun. Then he had time to open his glove compartment, remove the gun from the holster, chamber a round in the gun and shoot. Seems as if he was "scared for his life" when he "thought" he saw the gun, he had plenty of time to move his car away from the car of teens. One fact in evidence--no shotgun was found anywhere in the vicinity of the store or surrounding areas. If the teens had thrown anything from the car, they only had three minutes to do so, and it is very difficult to believe nobody would notice someone in a car full of bullet holes throwing a shotgun out of the car or that if the weapon had been found, someone would not have turned it in to the cops.
A weapon does not have to have been found for Dunn's story to be believed by the jury.

Remember, they have to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

If they find that he could have only acted in such a manner if he did see something(whether it was a gun or not) then they might conclude that he acted in self defense, especially in light of the threats that were being shouted.

Also, Jacksonville is on an ocean with a river flowing through it.

We may never find a shotgun, if one was present in Davis's vehicle.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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The way it all went down it is very hard to disprove that. And this is "reasonable doubt" country.
Reading you and other posters, all someone has to do is claim "they saw a gun" even is no gun is ever to be found, or seen, by anyone else. The doubt has to be reasonable to justify an acquittal. Hence the expression, reasonable doubt.
 
Old 02-15-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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Verdict on 4 out of 5 charges. Looks like a hung jury on the murder charge .
 
Old 02-15-2014, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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JAX is preparing for a riot.

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Given the attention and emotions tied to this case, a "comprehensive public safety plan" has been established ahead of a verdict, according to the Duval County joint information center handling the Dunn trial.
Jury in loud music trial reaches verdict on 4 counts, undecided on 5th - CNN.com
 
Old 02-15-2014, 03:03 PM
 
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The verdict has not come yet. Apparently, they cannot convict him of any of the following :

-1st degree murder
-2nd degree nurder
-manslaughter

They have reached a verdict on the other charges which were attempted manslaughter and firing into a dwelling place. Which means in my opinion : if he is not guilty of manslaughter he is probably not guilty of attempted manslaughter.

Here is the Florida justice system for you. Reminds you anything ?
 
Old 02-15-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Sorel36 View Post
The verdict has not come yet. Apparently, they cannot convict him of any of the following :

-1st degree murder
-2nd degree nurder
-manslaughter

They have reached a verdict on the other charges which were attempted manslaughter and firing into a dwelling place. Which means in my opinion : if he is not guilty of manslaughter he is probably not guilty of attempted manslaughter.

Here is the Florida justice system for you. Reminds you anything ?
Were they sleeping in the vehicle?
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