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Old 07-18-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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The facts are the statement was wrong.
I'd agree, the reason those motors aren't available here is because of EPA regs.
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Old 07-18-2013, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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it isnt just the EPA, as wintersucks pointed out, it is alsomarkets forces, and the states as well. we havent built a new refinery in 30 years, but we have closed something like 300 over that same period of time. new refineries with new technology would be a boon to lowering gas prices. add to that EPA standards and state additive requirements, and you create artificially high prices.
Why would Exxon invest their money in building new refineries that could increase production so their product could be sold for less?

Vanguard has a documentary about Nigerian Oil Gangs. Nigeria is the greatest producer of oil in Africa and government and the likes of Shell have been in bed together for about 60 years. There is no trickle down economy. Those employed are ex-pats who live nice lives behind barbed wire fences.

Gas prices are high in Nigeria because the oil is shipped elsewhere for refinement. There is nothing remotely resembling the EPA in Nigeria. Spills are common place. The land can no longer be farmed. The rivers and streams no longer have fish. The water is not portable. Delta tribes are not happy. And the government has turned on its own people.

Shell Nigeria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those who view the EPA as foe might pay attention to what goes on in those places where government allows business to operate as they wish and the environment be damned.
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Old 07-18-2013, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That's not necessarily a bad thing and it's due to competing goals. Many of those high mileage cars can't meet U.S. safety standards. There is a reason the U.S. has one of the lowest fatality rates in the world. There can be a balance between mileage and safety.

There is no reason those cars can't meet U.S. standards but it would require the mfg to re-design for the U.S. market and add owered bumper beams, window-curtain air bags and crumple zones.
There's irony posting this on a forum where a substantial number of posters resent having to wear seat belts because it's unconstitutional.
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Old 07-18-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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In the U.K. the rate is 7 per 100,000 cars. In the U.S. it's 15. In Germany it's 7.2. France 9.57. Japan 6.8. All allow smaller high MPG cars.

List of countries by traffic-related death rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why say something that is so easy to dispute?



Because Germany is fine with unsafe vehicles on their autobahns.
The metric used in your link is "fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants" or ""fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants." Both of those metric are affected by the amount of driving in the nation and not necessarily the safety of the vehicles. That's why Wyoming has 7 times the fatalities, by 100,000 people, than Washington DC. Do they drive more unsafe cars in Wyoming? No, DC residents just drive less than Wyoming residents -- just like Europeans drive less than Americans.

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The number of miles driven on America's roadways declined last year by 35.7 billion miles, or 1.2 percent, the safety administration said. There were 1.09 deaths per 100 million miles traveled, down slightly from 1.11 deaths in 2010. That's the lowest rate on record, NHTSA says.
Highway Deaths Per Mile Fall To Lowest Level On Record

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Old 07-18-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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The metric used in your link is "fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants" or ""fatalities per 100,000 inhabitants." Both of those metric are affected by the amount of driving in the nation and not necessarily the safety of the vehicles. That's why Wyoming has 7 times the fatalities, by 100,000 people, than Washington DC. Do they drive more unsafe cars in Wyoming? No, DC residents just drive less than Wyoming residents -- just like Europeans drive less than Americans.
And get killed less even though they drive these supposedly unsafe cars.

Again, seriously........Germany isn't concerned with the safety of the cars operating on the autobahn?
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Government regulations creating higher fuel use.

Why the Government Was Wrong to Shutdown Fung Wah Bus Company

Why the Government Was Wrong to Shutdown Fung Wah Bus Company - Reason.com
All I know is, those of us who drive regularly on the Fung Wah route were completely accustomed to seeing their buses on the side of the interstate, sometimes on fire, sometimes just belching smoke, you name it. And this is during the years that the records show them to be fire-free. But it was a commonplace sight. A standing joke in the community.

I wouldn't let my daughter ride with them home from college. I paid extra for Peter Pan, who seems to be doing just fine, thank you, and never catches on fire.

You want lower gas prices? YOU ride Fung-Wah. [shudder]
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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I have no idea what the scary chart is supposed to show. Please explain.
I think it explains things quite clearly.

Conservatives on this board are having an extremely difficult time bashing Obama these days, whether it be directly or indirectly.

Don't worry, conservatives. Benghazi will be back. So will the IRS. That, and Orly will finally be right.

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Old 07-20-2013, 09:34 AM
 
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Regardless of whether you think gas is expensive or not, our food and gas prices are higher than they would normally be due to a mandate that exists to benefit certain members of congress and their big ag cronies.



..and it is known by them to be a failure and a crushing factor on family budgets.

Past time to end this madness.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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..and it is known by them to be a failure and a crushing factor on family budgets.

Past time to end this madness.
Then let's get rid of those pesky and expensive regulations that prohibit carcinogenic pesticides from being used; hormones in meat; and regulations that limit fertilizer runoff -- because the world was far better when industry was allowed to do what it wanted unfettered by government. That will bring down the cost of food -- and if more people get sick, stuff happens.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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Many countries pay far, far more than the US. I'm paying close to $6.00.
Can I blame the EPA?



Write your government.
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