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How so? For all times and nations (except the right wing America, obviously where killing unarmed folks is the surest path to glory) - an armed man attacking an unarmed man with deadly force was an immoral, despicable act. Zimmerman "injuries" don't support his claim that a life-or-death fight ever occurred. The Dead man is not here to testify about things that have led to the fight, but Zimmerman gave him enough of reasons to "fear" for his life too, admit it.
Why you all discount the dead man' fears, just because he had no gun (just his fists) to act upon his fears? Zimmerman' "patrol" is solely responsible for the confrontation (exact details of which we will never know), Zimmerman' attack with deadly force was disproportioned to the threat posed (it's your kind who claim that a gun wielding bozo following somebody is not dangerous enough to fist fight him, yet a 40 sec fist "fight" created a mortal danger to the trigger happy maniacs covered with a thick layer of fat to absorb most of the punches to boot). Be consistent. Inconsistencies have no basis in law, fact or morality.
Your post is but unworthy trash. No further response to be made.
Your post is but unworthy trash. No further response to be made.
It didn't take long to reach the limits of your reasoning abilities. As somebody said "You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep seated need to believe".In this case, a deep seated need to believe that the use of the deadly force during a minor fist fight promotes the agenda of the "guns save lives" crowd. It's a nice advertisement for your agenda, showing well what kind of crapless people may hide behind their guns.
It didn't take long to reach the limits of your reasoning abilities. As somebody said "You can’t convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it’s based on a deep seated need to believe".In this case, a deep seated need to believe that the use of the deadly force during a minor fist fight promotes the agenda of the "guns save lives" crowd. It's a nice advertisement for your agenda, showing well what kind of crapless people may hide behind their guns.
More mindless trash. BTW, it wasn't a fist fight, it wasn't even a fight, it was one guy being savaged by another. You are free, however, to allow yourself to be beaten beyond life.
More mindless trash. BTW, it wasn't a fist fight, it wasn't even a fight, it was one guy being savaged by another. You are free, however, to allow yourself to be beaten beyond life.
Guys may sustain life changing injuries in an unequal fight where one guy being savaged by another. This case simply doesn't qualify, nowhere near. Shall we allow your kind to provoke people just to shoot them shortly after because your underwear is soiled and you "fear" for your life? Yet, your creepy behavior should never be looked upon as threatening and dealt with correspondingly?
What's the best strategy here? Shoot the creep that follows you, shoot the creep who tries to confront you, no question asked, shoot before he has time to claim "fear" and shoot you? Guns save lives, right? I know reasoning is tough on your kind so don't overexert so printed text wouldn't appear as mindless trash.
So what would you do if a creepy man follows you and then he reaches under his jacket?
Even according to the study you cite, you are much more likely to killyourself than others using your gun. You are more likely to kill the people you know using your gun. Out of the strangers you might kill, large % would mean you no harm. Even if we accept 50-50 ratio for justified/not justified shootings, guns are more dangerous for you and your family/acquaintances than for the murderous strangers. I'm OK with guns and the risks they pose, but let's assume that you forgot your gun and a creepy guy follows you? Do you have the right to defend yourself even if you don't have a gun, no matter the odds? Or the right for self-defense is reserved for the gun carrying public only? If you can shoot because "you feel your life is under a threat" can you "attack with your fists if you feel your life is under a threat"? Lastly, why such a possibility was never considered in this Florida case?
More men commit suicide than women and the preferred method of suicide for men is a hand gun.
That doesn't mean hand guns make men kill themselves or that they wouldn't kill themselves if hand guns were not available.
It also doesn't mean that people are killing people they know because they have hand guns.
It just means people don't normally kill complete strangers as they don't have a motive to do so.
This whole Zimmerman/Martin case was a joke and should never have been filed by the overzealous and incompetent special prosecutor, Angela Corey, even after knowing that there was no evidence to prosecute Zimmerman.
But, thank goodness it did go to trial.
It allowed everyone to see how easy it is to beat the system.
That's why Zimmerman is considered a hero to so many (degenerates).
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Guys may sustain life changing injuries in an unequal fight where one guy being savaged by another. This case simply doesn't qualify, nowhere near. Shall we allow your kind to provoke people just to shoot them shortly after because your underwear is soiled and you "fear" for your life? Yet, your creepy behavior should never be looked upon as threatening and dealt with correspondingly?
What's the best strategy here? Shoot the creep that follows you, shoot the creep who tries to confront you, no question asked, shoot before he has time to claim "fear" and shoot you? Guns save lives, right? I know reasoning is tough on your kind so don't overexert so printed text wouldn't appear as mindless trash.
The police didn't agree with you, the jury didn't agree with you, and few educated, informed people agree with you. Your post appears to be written in childish, anger, and is full of childish statements. Perhaps you should hose down your keyboard, take a couple does of "grow up" and try again after the pills have had a decade or two to work.
If you want to see the sorts who do agree with you, you can see video of them in near-riot mode, blocking freeways, vandalizing property etc., Your "fellow travelers.
And who's exactly Zimmerman to ask those questions? Second, how one is to know that a guy who follows you is some wannabe control freak and not a serial killer, for example? Asking questions under these circumstances can escalate fast in a fight. So far the only your "evidence" is the fact that the black guy was winning a fight (hell knows what lead to it) and thus he deserved to die, since him winning a fight made Zimmerman fear for his life (despite no physical evidence for a life-or-death fight whatsoever). Again, why do you value Zimmerman' fears and discard Travyon' fears?
This whole issue wasn't about Zimmerman's or Martin's fears, it was about 2 people being in the wrong place at the wrong time and race was the center of it. Martin was physically larger than Zimmerman and Martin's demeanor made Zimmerman suspicious given the facts that there were burglaries in the community, besides, he had no way of knowing that Martin was a teen-ager on his way home, and obviously, Martin had no fear of Zimmerman since the situation escalated to the physical confrontation and the eventual shooting of Martin, but again, Zimmerman had to do what any normal person would have done to defend himself. Had this been a confrontation between 2 black persons, or 2 Caucasians, which happens everyday, the case would not have gotten the attention it got.
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