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Old 07-17-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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Does it take account of the fact that blacks are only 13% of the population but commit 40% of all crimes?
No.

It simply shows that white shooters of black victims had a better chance of using stand-your-ground as a defense than did black shooters of white victims and shooters who shot someone of the same race
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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There is nothing wrong with SYG laws, I see no reason that someone who is in the position of being faced with grave injury or death should be expected to figure out if, where and how to flee in the fleeting moments before something happens.

Those who say Zimmerman should have done "this" or "that" are Monday morning quarterbacking the situation without ever having seen the game.

Critics of SYG, tell me please.....using the example of what Zimmerman said and witness testimony says happend....him being on the ground and getting punched and his head slammed into the pavement...

How many times should a person let his head get bounced off the concrete before they should be cognitively able to asses the situation as gravely serious to their life or health and get to defend themselves with deadly force?

Once?
Twice?
Four or five times?
Or maybe a person needs to feel his skull actually crack before he get your moral thumbs up to defend himself?
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Eric Holder slams stand-your-ground laws because they 'senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods' - NYPOST.com

But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common-sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely," Holder said.

If this is what Holder thinks seems this should have applied to Trayvon Martin also it may have saved his life.....he should have retreated back to his house, rather than jumping on Zimmerman.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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Why is it that criminals or trouble makers only seem to have issues with Stand your Ground?
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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When did we get into schoolyard name calling?
They resort to that after all their facts have been debunked and it becomes abundantly clear they can't win the argument.....



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You're not confronting when you are already being confronted.

You ARE the confronted.
Where is the evidence showing that GZ confronted TM? Merely following someone down the street, is not confronting them.

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There appears to be some racial bias in how stand-your-ground laws are applied.

A study of 43,500 homicides in states with stand-your-ground laws showed that a white person shooting a black person was far more likely to have been found to be using justifiable homicide than the opposite, or if a black person shoots a black person.

This study doesn't account for differences in circumstance though.

Is There Racial Bias in “Stand Your Ground†Laws? | Criminal Justice | FRONTLINE | PBS
Then the problem is not with the law itself, it is with the people who apply it case by case.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There were a few on the jury that indicated SYG drove their decision.

The short synopsis is an armed individual follows someone with superior strength, challenges them and subsequently kills them because they felt their life was endangered. One thing for the police but if that is the law for civilians there is something seriously wrong with the legislation.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Eric Holder slams stand-your-ground laws because they 'senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhoods' - NYPOST.com

But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common-sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely," Holder said.

If this is what Holder thinks seems this should have applied to Trayvon Martin also it may have saved his life.....he should have retreated back to his house, rather than jumping on Zimmerman.
I believe TM was retreating.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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There were a few on the jury that indicated SYG drove their decision.

The short synopsis is an armed individual follows someone with superior strength, challenges them and subsequently kills them because they felt their life was endangered. One thing for the police but if that is the law for civilians there is something seriously wrong with the legislation.
Where is the evidence showing that GZ "challenged" TM
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I believe TM was retreating.
Based on what?
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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Based on what?
You can't punch someone without firstly retreating your fist.
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