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Old 07-20-2013, 09:06 PM
 
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Killing someone isn't always murder. George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin, he didn't murder him.
Ok fine. But he should have still been arrested on the spot.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:09 PM
 
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Ok fine. But he should have still been arrested on the spot.
The police claimed that their hands were tied, they couldn't arrest Zimmerman on the spot because he claimed self-defense and had the injuries to "prove" it.

However, the police are allowed a lot of discretion and power as to when and who they arrest. And I truly believe that had the roles been reversed, and Trayvon had been standing over Zimmerman's body with a gun in his hand, even with claims of self-defense he would have been arrested on the spot, if not shot dead by the police.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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The police claimed that their hands were tied, they couldn't arrest Zimmerman on the spot because he claimed self-defense and had the injuries to "prove" it.

However, the police are allowed a lot of discretion and power as to when and who they arrest. And I truly believe that had the roles been reversed, and Trayvon had been standing over Zimmerman's body with a gun in his hand, even with claims of self-defense he would have been arrested on the spot, if not shot dead by the police.
Trayvon wasn't old enough to own or carry a gun so yeah, he would have been arrested.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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The police claimed that their hands were tied, they couldn't arrest Zimmerman on the spot because he claimed self-defense and had the injuries to "prove" it.

However, the police are allowed a lot of discretion and power as to when and who they arrest. And I truly believe that had the roles been reversed, and Trayvon had been standing over Zimmerman's body with a gun in his hand, even with claims of self-defense he would have been arrested on the spot, if not shot dead by the police.

Even the state said, that if they had been involved from the beginning, it would've taken them 30-45 days to make an arrest.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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Ok fine. But he should have still been arrested on the spot.
For what? A person who shoots and kills an attacker in their home will end up down at the police station for a statement and normal documentation just like the police did to Zimmerman. At that time it was clear that George had injuries to back up his claim of self defense and all of the evidence and witness statements backed up his story.

Fast forward over a year and a jury agrees that Zimmerman did nothing wrong.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: DFW
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There used to be lawsuits from Criminals because the Victim did not "retreat" before they shot the criminal.

SYG removed the liability and lawsuits from these criminals.

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In 1995, the Texas Legislature created an exception to a 1973 statute, which required a person to retreat in the face of a criminal attack. The exception allowed a person to use force without retreat when an intruder unlawfully entered their home. Senate Bill 378 extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:

Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
  • Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place; or
  • Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.
The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in the above circumstances. The use of deadly force is not lawful when it is used to provoke or if a crime other than a Class C misdemeanor is committed by the victim.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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I think Zimmerman will still screw up, like OJ did. With his history of assault, domestic violence, and killing, he'll probably assault someone else, and hopefully there will be lots of witnesses to clearly see it, and he won't get away with it again.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:37 PM
 
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The police claimed that their hands were tied, they couldn't arrest Zimmerman on the spot because he claimed self-defense and had the injuries to "prove" it.

However, the police are allowed a lot of discretion and power as to when and who they arrest. And I truly believe that had the roles been reversed, and Trayvon had been standing over Zimmerman's body with a gun in his hand, even with claims of self-defense he would have been arrested on the spot, if not shot dead by the police.
That's not called "their hands were tired." That's called lack of probable cause. Without probable cause, nobody should be arrested.

Did they, the police, have any evidence to dispute what George was 'claiming" at the time? None whatsoever. Even a year later, there was still no evidence.

So, why should anybody be arrested for lack of probable cause?
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:41 PM
 
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There used to be lawsuits from Criminals because the Victim did not "retreat" before they shot the criminal.

SYG removed the liability and lawsuits from these criminals.

_______________________________________

In 1995, the Texas Legislature created an exception to a 1973 statute, which required a person to retreat in the face of a criminal attack. The exception allowed a person to use force without retreat when an intruder unlawfully entered their home. Senate Bill 378 extends a person’s right to stand their ground beyond the home to vehicles and workplaces, allowing the reasonable use of deadly force when an intruder is:

Committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes;
  • Unlawfully trying to enter a protected place; or
  • Unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.
The law also provides civil immunity for a person who lawfully uses deadly force in the above circumstances. The use of deadly force is not lawful when it is used to provoke or if a crime other than a Class C misdemeanor is committed by the victim.
I think the problems started when the law was extended from one's home to public areas. If you shoot an intruder in your own home, there's no doubt they were committing a crime because after all it's your home.

But in a public area, it is not always clear if someone was breaking a law, or if your life was in danger, or if there was a threat of bodily harm, and if you shoot someone to death and then claim self-defense, the other person is forever silenced.
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Old 07-20-2013, 09:42 PM
 
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I think Zimmerman will still screw up, like OJ did. With his history of assault, domestic violence, and killing, he'll probably assault someone else, and hopefully there will be lots of witnesses to clearly see it, and he won't get away with it again.
Bla Bla Bla, you're a tired broken record with your lies about a history of assault and domestic violence.

The only person he ever killed was attacking him and trying to kill him, most people look at that as an accomplishment, not a negative thing.
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