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Old 07-21-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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It's definitely a grey area type of law. The chances of someone getting away with cold-blooded murder increases when they are able to hide behind this law.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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It's definitely a grey area type of law. The chances of someone getting away with cold-blooded murder increases when they are able to hide behind this law.
Of course.

But the same could be said for self defense itself.

The test is whether or not it is a net positive.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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But president Obama isn't the law or a police official. The PD wanted zim to stop following to avoid the incidents which followed, a confrontation and a homicide. But with zim's mentality of possessing a firearm, and believing he was within his right using the SYG, pursued an individual walking through an apartment complex. He legally murdered a human being.
No. Police can't order you to stop doing something perfectly legal. In this free world, nobody has such authority.

Following someone is perfectly legal and it's not jeopardizing other people's life. So, Zimmerman didn't need to listen to anybody's "order." For the same reason, it has no bearing on the case.

By the way, the jury has spoke and it's not guilty. Calling him a murderer is clearly defamation. You deserve to be sued over it.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:25 PM
 
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It's definitely a grey area type of law. The chances of someone getting away with cold-blooded murder increases when they are able to hide behind this law.
Show me one case please.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Of course.

But the same could be said for self defense itself.

The test is whether or not it is a net positive.
I would say it is a net positive but seems like it could use a little tweaking. I personally can't come up with the tweak myself that would eliminate the fact it may cause some people to be overaggressive without reintroducing the problems SYG laws were put in place to prevent.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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We don't know if that happened. That is just a guess. It makes no sense. Trayvon was on the phone, if he was circling back looking for Zimmerman, he would have told Rachel that. Instead, he told her the "cracker" came up behind him. He said "oh **, there he is again." or something to that effect. Those are not the words of someone laying in wait to attack. There's no logic to him laying in wait to attack Zimmerman. If he wanted to attack, why would he have run away?

It appears they encountered each other accidentally, or that Zimmerman followed behind Trayvon. In either scenario, if I'd been Trayvon I would have felt threatened, and being a woman I would have probably pepper-sprayed Zimmerman.
Frankly, since Trayvon didn't feel the need to call police or even asked his gf to call police, it simply meant it was no threat to him at all.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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How would you feel if someone was following your daughter or wife on a dark rainy night? Would you still feel the same way? I guess because Trayvon was a male or black those feelings should not have counted.
Regardless what you feel, it is not justified to beat someone up. Not at all. If your daughter or wife tried that and got shot, the law would rule just same as it ruled for Zimmerman.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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It's definitely a grey area type of law. The chances of someone getting away with cold-blooded murder increases when they are able to hide behind this law.
So....since 17 out of the total of 21 Stand Your Ground cases in Florida have resulted in Black men being acquitted of murder, you'd rather see them found guilty?

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Old 07-21-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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So....since 17 out of the total of 21 Stand Your Ground cases in Florida have resulted in Black men being acquitted of murder, you'd rather see them found guilty?

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Racist!
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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Racist!
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