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Old 07-18-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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Since MTA states that the recess appointments were wrong, the answer to your question would be no, wouldn't it?

But let's say the left blocked the less offensive nominee, not because they found him offensive, but because they wanted, say, Bush to lift his ban on aid to international medical organizations that provided abortions and information on abortions. So, as long as Bush imposed his ban, the left refused to approve any Presidential appointments to the court. Are you arguing that that's okay?
That has been done many times. The left told Reagan that they wouldn't support anything he wanted unless he agreed to raising taxes.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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It is ironic that it was Biden that led the fight against Bork.
If memory serves, it was Ted Kennedy, but I could be wrong. Biden was head of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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Presidents have been making recess appointments since Washington.

Reagan holds the record for Recess Appointments at a whopping 243 followed by Bush 2 with 171 such appointments. Thus far, Obama has done so 35 +/- times.

Just curious, were you as outraged when other presidents made interim and actual recess appointments?
Completely irrelevant to what happened here. These were not recess appointments.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That has been done many times. The left told Reagan that they wouldn't support anything he wanted unless he agreed to raising taxes.
I don't think that is accurate. Do you have documentation/link? What ended up getting blocked?

My recollection was that it was Reagan himself wanted to raise taxes when he realized that his original tax-cut slashed revenue.

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One year after his massive tax cut, Reagan agreed to a tax increase to reduce the deficit that restored fully one-third of the previous year's reduction. (In a bizarre bit of self-deception, Reagan, who never came to terms with this episode of ideological apostasy, persuaded himself that the three-year, $100 billion tax hike--the largest since World War II--was actually "tax reform" that closed loopholes in his earlier cut and therefore didn't count as raising taxes.)
Washington Monthly January/February 2003
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The system of checks and balances has worked. Claims of an "Imperial Presidency" are thereby demonstrated to be womanly hand-wringing. Nothing more.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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The system of checks and balances has worked. Claims of an "Imperial Presidency" are thereby demonstrated to be womanly hand-wringing. Nothing more.
WOMANLY hand-wringing???? Hey! I cry foul!
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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Three courts making the same decision on the same issue that has already been slated to SCOTUS doesn't make it worse, it just makes it a waste of time.

And a court can't "purge" him so it appears that you are inciting violence.
You watch too much TV...
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Presidents have been making recess appointments since Washington.

Reagan holds the record for Recess Appointments at a whopping 243 followed by Bush 2 with 171 such appointments. Thus far, Obama has done so 35 +/- times.

Just curious, were you as outraged when other presidents made interim and actual recess appointments?
I wasn't judging the concept of recess appointments, which are constitutionally sanctioned [The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session]. I was merely stating that Obama did violate the letter of the law since the Congress was not technically in recess.

According to the Constitution,
Article I, Section 5:
"Neither House, during the session of Congress, shall, without the consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting," and the House refused to adjourn.

Which gives the constitutional out. Obama should have asked Reid to adjourn the Senate for three days.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:44 AM
 
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The system of checks and balances has worked. Claims of an "Imperial Presidency" are thereby demonstrated to be womanly hand-wringing. Nothing more.
Indeed it did. Unfortunately we have had two presidents that have tried over and over to expand their power beyond what the constitution allows and the courts have done a fairly good job keeping them in check.

That is the story here.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Indeed it did. Unfortunately we have had two presidents that have tried over and over to expand their power beyond what the constitution allows and the courts have done a fairly good job keeping them in check.
Every President in the history of the country has pushed the boundaries of the Executive Branch's power, and every Congress in the history of the country and every Supreme Court has pushed back. Likewise, each of the other two branches have constantly tested the limits of our checks-and-balances, generating a reaction from the others.

That's why we have the system.

You act as if you just discovered that you have a belly button, and you are mesmerized by it.
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