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Old 07-19-2013, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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But they reveal a deep-seated hatred of Hispanic immigrants (even though Marc Anthony is not one), which obviously means they're conservatives.

There are lots of conservatives on Twitter. Look up the hashtag #tcot sometime.
Harrier is a conservative and has no problem with legal Hispanic immigrants.

Immigration(legal or non-legal) is irrelevant in this case, so Harrier wonders why you mentioned it.

Mark Anthony is a natural born U.S. citizen.
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Old 07-19-2013, 09:57 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Then why did she call him a "non-American"?

Harrier agrees that the OP understands that Anthony was born in New York and is an American citizen, so why send mixed messages?
Because even though Marc Anthony is an American who was born and raised in New York City, New York in the United States of America some yahoos called him racial slurs and called him a non-American simply because he is of Puerto Rican descent. He was not an American to these folks because he is Latino.

Marc Anthony addresses the issue.


Marc Anthony interview about singing God Bless America' - YouTube
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Because even though Marc Anthony is an American who was born and raised in New York City, New York in the United States of America some yahoos called him racial slurs and called him a non-American simply because he is of Puerto Rican descent. He was not an American to these folks because he is Latino.

Marc Anthony addresses the issue.


Marc Anthony interview about singing God Bless America' - YouTube
Wouldn't matter if he was born in Puerto Rico instead of New York City - he would still be a natural born U.S. citizen.

Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:04 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Wouldn't matter if he was born in Puerto Rico instead of New York City - he would still be a natural born U.S. citizen.

Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory.
And yet somehow the racists that saw Marc Anthony singing 'God Bless America' couldn't figure that out. They only see a "foreigner" when they see a Latino.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:12 PM
 
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Well, although ignorant, to the average person he does seem like he is from latin america and much of his life revolves around it. The comments are ridiculous regarding his birthplace and nationality but it does seem to boil down not to the fact that he is latino but that he is not your typical pop singer or country star that the majority of baseball fans that made comments would prefer to see.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Well, Harrier thinks that calling them racists is a little extreme.

Do you have any data that shows what race they are and evidence that they think that that race is somehow superior to other races?
1) If you click on the link in the OP, many of the tweets called Marc Anthony the "s" word (racial slur reserved for Latinos)

2) Their Twitter profile pictures indicated their own racial backgrounds (Caucasian)
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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You said "non-American(but New York, NY, US of A born)".

Harrier just wanted to be sure that you understood that a person born in New York, NY, USA is by definition an American citizen and not a "non-American".
mmmjv thinks you should know that the non being in italics and then right after followed by saying he was in fact born in America meant that the author wasn't saying he wasn't born in America but was in fact saying that others did say that
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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1) If you click on the link in the OP, many of the tweets called Marc Anthony the "s" word (racial slur reserved for Latinos)

2) Their Twitter profile pictures indicated their own racial backgrounds (Caucasian)
Using racial slurs does not necessarily make one a racist - it just indicates that they are an ignorant and unrefined buffoon.

If we are going to have a productive discussion, we need to agree on certain definitions. Harrier submits the following definition from Merriam-Webster dictionary:

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racism: belief that certain races of people are by birth or nature superior to others.
Since Eric Holder wants us to have a conversation about race, getting the above definition agreed upon would be a good first step.

How can one fight something if they have no basis for accurately identifying it?
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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Certain 'types' of baseball fans are really angry that a non-American (but New York, NY, US of A born) Marc Anthony had the audacity to sing "God Bless America" to open the All-Star Game.

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post...ican-superstar

(some of the tweets are too profane to post...here is a sampling of some of the milder rants)







That's sad, really. It's depressing. Real patriotism doesn't involve hate. Patriotism is love of one's country and love and hate don't mix
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:29 PM
 
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So why all the terrible tweets accusing him of not being an American and telling him to "go home"?

They were probably sent by conservatives.
Because we don't have a lack of rules on twitter like we do here. If allowed we'd see plenty of true colors.

This does remind me of the boy in San Antonio that got the same crap.
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