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Old 07-20-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Exactly.

Just like having sex with a woman is not a crime.....unless you do so by force.
^^This. I don't understand what part of "choice and consent" is so difficult for some people to comprehend. Sex is not illegal if an adult chooses to consent to the act. Force a person to have sex with you without their consent, and it becomes illegal. Aborting a fetus is not illegal if a woman chooses to consent to the procedure. Commit an act of violence or aggression against someone which causes a pregnancy to terminate without the woman's consent, and it becomes illegal. It's really not that difficult.
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: texas
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Topics like this simply highlight the inconsistencies and illogical arguments put forth in some of our laws:

2.) If abortion is legal, it is contingent on the pregnant woman's consent - it is her body and thus, her choice. We know that a fetus is (generally according to law) not a human being and thus, pregnancy is nothing more than a medical condition that can or cannot be treated.

Either people have ultimate control over their own bodies or they don't! Which is it?
The law does not say the fetus is not human. The law says that the fetus is not viable for life outside the woamn's womb before 24 weeks of gestation. Humanality of the fetus is not.. and has never been a reasoning from the court.

In 1972, the Medical, Scientific, and legal consenses was that 24 weeks of gestation was the norm of develpment needed before a fetus could be viable and live unassisted outside of the womb.

Your question #3 is not about abortion os I will leave to the philosophers.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: 53179
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.
I understand the op question. It may sound weird.

But your answer is pretty clear and cut. Like it or not people, but abortion is legal as long as it is the woman's choice. Killing her unborn baby against her will is not legal.

If you don't like it, try to change the law.

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Old 07-20-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.
Yet, if the child survives the abortion, it is tossed in a trash can or abandoned on a shelf somewhere and left to die. All because, as Obama said, saving that life would go against the mother's wishes. That baby, even outside the womb, has no rights?
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Yet, if the child survives the abortion, it is tossed in a trash can or abandoned on a shelf somewhere and left to die. All because, as Obama said, saving that life would go against the mother's wishes. That baby, even outside the womb, has no rights?
Nope. Read your Constitution.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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^^This. I don't understand what part of "choice and consent" is so difficult for some people to comprehend. Sex is not illegal if an adult chooses to consent to the act. Force a person to have sex with you without their consent, and it becomes illegal. Aborting a fetus is not illegal if a woman chooses to consent to the procedure. Commit an act of violence or aggression against someone which causes a pregnancy to terminate without the woman's consent, and it becomes illegal. It's really not that difficult.
Don't You See?

In the twisted and sick minds of those who practice birth control by murdering their defenseless unborn children .. Only They have the 'Right' to murder the child!

The leftist courts have said so!

It is Only murder when someone else does it first!

If the woman accidentally gets pregnant .. through no fault of her own, she should have a Right to throw the child out like a used condom but If someone else accidentally murders the accidental child before She gets to murder the child .. It's murder!

Clear?

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Old 07-21-2013, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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Now let's take this to the next level!

Let's say that during a robbery .. a woman who has the accidental pregnancy .. through no fault of her own .. goes into early labor because of her fear of being robbed by an , (If he had a look-a-like, Obama son).

And what if the Obama look-a-like Son .. accidentally stepped on the head of the partially born accidental baby and killed it?
That would also be some kind of murder charge?

Now what if that woman who was pregnant .. through no failt of her own went to an understanding and caring doctor who knew that the child was accidentally conceived through no fault of the woman's.

And what if the woman said she didn't want the accidental child and the understanding and caring doctor .. to help the innocent woman .. stepped on the accidental baby's head and killed it?

Would that be some kind of murder charge because the woman with the accidental child .. through no fault of her own .. didn't get to murder the child first?

Or is it okay because she said that the caring and understanding doctor could murder the child first
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Chesterfield,Virginia
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Okay .. How's this?

During the robbery by the .. If He Had A Son Obama Look-A-Like, the woman goes into early labor with the no fault of her own .. accidental child and the child falls on it's head and kills itself is it still some kind of murder charge?
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Because Abortion is a lawful, constitutionally protected practice by a woman, her doctor, and her family. The abortion is of her choice.

Punching someone in the stomach and terminating the pregnanacy was not the woman choice.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others"


~ George Orwell
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:23 AM
 
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^^This. I don't understand what part of "choice and consent" is so difficult for some people to comprehend. Sex is not illegal if an adult chooses to consent to the act. Force a person to have sex with you without their consent, and it becomes illegal. Aborting a fetus is not illegal if a woman chooses to consent to the procedure. Commit an act of violence or aggression against someone which causes a pregnancy to terminate without the woman's consent, and it becomes illegal. It's really not that difficult.

So how is it not murder, or even a minor crime, for the woman but murder for another person to cause the death of a fetus?

At most it can only be assault if the fetus isn't a person.

Does it not bother you to be so completely full of ****?
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