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Old 07-21-2013, 05:32 AM
 
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I doubt thats what he had in mind when he went out that night, he went out with his gun to play cop, eventually saw a perspective scenario of hooded guy walking down the street and then his little game started, call dispatch,suspicious character walking around neighborhood!!, ok we'll take care of it, dont follow!
But old George couldnt help himself, in his mind he was now a real cop going after the bad guy.
What happened next only George knows but his needless and uncalled for actions resulted in a 17yr old kid in the morgue..
Kinda hard to determine whether Zimmie would make a good cop, or a bad cop.

Guess it depends on who would be doing the evaluation.

 
Old 07-21-2013, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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I doubt thats what he had in mind when he went out that night, he went out with his gun to play cop, eventually saw a perspective scenario of hooded guy walking down the street and then his little game started, call dispatch,suspicious character walking around neighborhood!!, ok we'll take care of it, dont follow!
But old George couldnt help himself, in his mind he was now a real cop going after the bad guy.
What happened next only George knows but his needless and uncalled for actions resulted in a 17yr old kid in the morgue..
Nothing he did was illegal. Or morally or ethically wrong.

Martin was the one that used racial slurs before attacking the cracker.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Cop wannabe calling for "backup", that ain't hard to figure out, if you're more than 5 years old.

You're smarter than that. People do not call the police when they plan on shooting someone. Period.

It's like when the evidence doesn't fit an agenda people just make crap up to satisfy some deep resentments. It's almost comical if it weren't so pathetic.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 05:41 AM
 
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Nothing he did was illegal. Or morally or ethically wrong.

Martin was the one that used racial slurs before attacking the cracker.
Except for the murder part.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Fat little guy carrying a pistol has an altercation with a faster more agile teenager. Teenager punches the guy out- GZ is knocked backwards - his head bonks on the ground and skids a bit causing a couple of elongated superficial scratches and a small piercing from a pebble. GZ is enraged that some punk just broke his damned nose..GZ gathers himself - gets to his feet. He is totally enraged--so he loses control of himself and shoots Martin.

I really believe it was that simple. The problem was in the charging- Zimmerman gives the police a fairly probable story. His nose is bleeding - so they believe him. The charge should have been involuntary manslaughter. He would have been convicted of that.

Involuntary means he was not in full control and there was no premeditation. He simply lost his temper and USED more force than was needed to protect himself- Once the gun was drawn the altercation was over. This is a classic case of the reverse being true- guns do kill people..If Zimmerman was not packing there would not have been a death.

If Zimmerman was known as a person who could not control his temper - he should have had his gun permit revoked. Gun control dropped the ball here...If someone is known to beat on people because he has an anger problem---then NO GUN FOR YOU law should have been invoked.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 05:59 AM
 
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Fat little guy carrying a pistol has an altercation with a faster more agile teenager. Teenager punches the guy out- GZ is knocked backwards - his head bonks on the ground and skids a bit causing a couple of elongated superficial scratches and a small piercing from a pebble. GZ is enraged that some punk just broke his damned nose..GZ gathers himself - gets to his feet. He is totally enraged--so he loses control of himself and shoots Martin.

I really believe it was that simple. The problem was in the charging- Zimmerman gives the police a fairly probable story. His nose is bleeding - so they believe him. The charge should have been involuntary manslaughter. He would have been convicted of that.

Involuntary means he was not in full control and there was no premeditation. He simply lost his temper and USED more force than was needed to protect himself- Once the gun was drawn the altercation was over. This is a classic case of the reverse being true- guns do kill people..If Zimmerman was not packing there would not have been a death.

If Zimmerman was known as a person who could not control his temper - he should have had his gun permit revoked. Gun control dropped the ball here...If someone is known to beat on people because he has an anger problem---then NO GUN FOR YOU law should have been invoked.
The screaming indicated deliberate homicide.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 06:02 AM
 
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If Zimmerman was known as a person who could not control his temper - he should have had his gun permit revoked. Gun control dropped the ball here...If someone is known to beat on people because he has an anger problem---then NO GUN FOR YOU law should have been invoked.
He took drugs for that, information he volunteered to the police.

So you see, he was in complete control of his emotions.

Ever been around a meth freak before?
 
Old 07-21-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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What if Trayvon was just leaning over him and not really on top of him?

Like this

http://image.stock-photos-medical.co...-02640174w.jpg

This is not consistent with what witnesses described : one man on top of the other like he was "riding" him. One witness said Trayvon was on top, another said it was Zimmerman.

I have practiced ground fighting quite a bit and I know for a fact that GZ's story of Martin noticing this tiny Kel-Tec PF9 in the dark, when it is carried concealed on the back of GZ's hip, and GZ then being able to retrieve it while laying on his back with TM on top of him does not hold any water.

I suggest all gun owners who read this try it with a friend and see if the gun is noticeable and if they are able to draw with someone on top of them applying a genuine pressure like in a real fight.

I too believe, like the prosecution said after the verdict, that GZ approached TM gun drawn because he thought TM was a criminal high on drugs and was concerned because TM had his hand in his waistband as he stated to the police dispatcher. Looking for TM in the dark, obviously, GZ had his hand on his gun or had drawn it entirely, prompting causing the kid to fight desperately and yell for help. Of course this is unprovable.
 
Old 07-21-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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I believe Zimmerman had that gun drawn right from the get go and thats why Treyvon jumped him in an effort to stand his own ground knowing full well this nutjob with a gun was going to shoot him before he could make the dash for home.IMO
I agree, it would very difficult, if not impossible to pull a gun in the position and make a shot squarely in the chest. One thing I didn't see in the trial was any ballistics testing on the clothing of the shot was in fact at point blank range, or was further away. That could have shown quite a bit,..
 
Old 07-21-2013, 06:05 AM
 
Location: 77441
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doesnt matter.
trials over.
the racist lost.
GZ could confess w/a video showing TM on his knees begging for his miserable life and GZ would still be free.
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