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Old 07-22-2013, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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It's been starting to die off this year due to the decreased violence rate in Chicago, but it seems like the media, and republicans especially enjoy targetting the democratic bastion Chicago as a point to their failed policies and gun regulations, talking about how out of control the murder rate and violence in general are in Chicago.

While 500 murders in 2012 alone is rather high, I think Chicago is being treated a little unfairly as there are other cities with FAR higher rates than Chicago that aren't in the same spotlight. A lot of people just hear the number 500 and automatically assume that's the highest rate of any city in the country, and lo and behold, it's actually only slightly higher than average. I took a host of other cities to compare their murder numbers if they were the same size as Chicago.

1. Chicago 2.7 million, 500 homicides in 2012.

2. Indianapolis 830,000, 112 homicides in 2012. Indianapolis at 2.7 million would have 364 homicides
3. Baltimore 620,000 215 homicides in 2012. Baltimore at 2.7 million would have 936 homicides
4. Boston 630,000 52 homicides in 2012. Boston at 2.7 million would have 224 homicides.
5. Atlanta 430,000 85 homicides in 2012. Atlanta at 2.7 million would have 531 homicides.
6. New Orleans 352,000 193 homicides in 2012. New Orleans at 2.7 million would have 1,444 homicides.
7. Cleveland 395,000 97 homicides in 2012. Cleveland at 2.7 million would have 665 homicides.
8. Detroit 707,000 411 homicides in 2012. Detroit at 2.7 million would have 1,572 homicides.
9. Houston 2.1 million 216 homicides in 2012. Houston at 2.7 million would have 273 homicides.
10. Dallas 1.1 million 152 homicides in 2012. Dallas at 2.7 million would have 336 homicides.
11. Memphis 650,000 157 homicides in 2012. Memphis at 2.7 million would have 650 homicides.
12. Jackson Mississippi 176,000 66 homicides in 2012. Jackson at 2.7 million would have 1,012 homicides.

Do you see the correlation? Some other cities are far worse, while some other cities right about even with Chicago. Why all the hate on Chicago? Because it's a democratic bastion? Because Obama worked there?

 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago - Logan Square
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Because it's a democratic bastion? Because Obama worked there?
Obama and gun control make it a big target for conservatives, and they don't have much of a desire or ability to look into numbers or facts. There's no push back from the left, since the neighborhoods that are affected by crime are primarily minority neighborhoods that are frequently ignored - so politicians and community activists in those areas like the attention and are trying to use it to get changes made.

There's also the fact that Chicago is frequently judged only against NYC and LA. Both of those cities have seen dramatic drops in homicide numbers and while Chicago has seen significant drops, they haven't been as dramatic as the ones in those cities. This has left Chicago with the highest raw numbers for homicides. Combine that with Chicago's history with gangs (i.e. Capone) and the desire of many Chicagoans to depict Chicago as a tough city, and there you go.

BTW - crime rates in all areas have been dropping for about a year, so 2013 is going to make the disconnect between facts and reality even more pronounced. We're currently on track to have fewer than 400 homicides this year.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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It's been starting to die off this year due to the decreased violence rate in Chicago, but it seems like the media, and republicans especially enjoy targetting the democratic bastion Chicago as a point to their failed policies and gun regulations, talking about how out of control the murder rate and violence in general are in Chicago.

While 500 murders in 2012 alone is rather high, I think Chicago is being treated a little unfairly as there are other cities with FAR higher rates than Chicago that aren't in the same spotlight. A lot of people just hear the number 500 and automatically assume that's the highest rate of any city in the country, and lo and behold, it's actually only slightly higher than average. I took a host of other cities to compare their murder numbers if they were the same size as Chicago.

1. Chicago 2.7 million, 500 homicides in 2012.

2. Indianapolis 830,000, 112 homicides in 2012. Indianapolis at 2.7 million would have 364 homicides
3. Baltimore 620,000 215 homicides in 2012. Baltimore at 2.7 million would have 936 homicides
4. Boston 630,000 52 homicides in 2012. Boston at 2.7 million would have 224 homicides.
5. Atlanta 430,000 85 homicides in 2012. Atlanta at 2.7 million would have 531 homicides.
6. New Orleans 352,000 193 homicides in 2012. New Orleans at 2.7 million would have 1,444 homicides.
7. Cleveland 395,000 97 homicides in 2012. Cleveland at 2.7 million would have 665 homicides.
8. Detroit 707,000 411 homicides in 2012. Detroit at 2.7 million would have 1,572 homicides.
9. Houston 2.1 million 216 homicides in 2012. Houston at 2.7 million would have 273 homicides.
10. Dallas 1.1 million 152 homicides in 2012. Dallas at 2.7 million would have 336 homicides.
11. Memphis 650,000 157 homicides in 2012. Memphis at 2.7 million would have 650 homicides.
12. Jackson Mississippi 176,000 66 homicides in 2012. Jackson at 2.7 million would have 1,012 homicides.

Do you see the correlation? Some other cities are far worse, while some other cities right about even with Chicago. Why all the hate on Chicago? Because it's a democratic bastion? Because Obama worked there?
And southern cities (which obviously sit in red states) have the highest crime rates, even higher than Chicago's because red states have more poverty. This is also ignored.

One day while comparing crime rates of all major cities, I noticed that the further south I went, the higher the crime rates got.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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Obama is from here.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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honestly I think it is the opposite, most cities with a similar murder rate to Chicago get completely written off.I think the biggest thing is the flash mobs and the wildings.nobody has a problem when ghettoism is in the ghetto where it belongs, but once that stuff hits the Tony shopping districts and Tony neighborhoods?
 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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honestly I think it is the opposite, most cities with a similar murder rate to Chicago get completely written off.I think the biggest thing is the flash mobs and the wildings.nobody has a problem when ghettoism is in the ghetto where it belongs, but once that stuff hits the Tony shopping districts and Tony neighborhoods?
The whole flash mobs thing is overplayed, but I guess that's the point of your post right? I have actually walked right through a big "flash mob" before, last July 4th. Nothing happened to me. As I think you are inferring - that's what people report and freak out about, even though it doesn't happen that much.

Plus, most of the flash mobs are non violent. The real ones are teens who go into stores and shoplift and then run away fast. But I digress
 
Old 07-22-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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Senationalism sells.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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I actually hear more about Chicago's crime from people that have either never lived or been to the city than from my own family and friends who live there.
 
Old 07-22-2013, 07:30 PM
 
Location: West Loop, Chicago, IL
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I wonder if local news reporting has something to do with it too. Every morning you open up the Sun-Times or Tribune website and it's "8 wounded overnight..." right on the homepage. You go to other major cities' major news sites, and murder/shootings seem to be relegated to a blip on the homepage if reported at all. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but perhaps local emphasis on the violence enhances the reputation (not that we should be turning a blind eye to it either).
 
Old 07-22-2013, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Twilight zone
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obama and chief keef
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