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Old 07-24-2013, 04:29 PM
 
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Which is in no way a support for the hypothesis of CAGW. /shrug
Actually it establishes that humans are responsible for climate change, CAGW is just trying to figure out that "catastrophic" part.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:30 PM
 
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Nah, you won't be getting a call. But let's be honest, you would never accept it as a fact unless your God Ron Paul or whoever tells you it; certainly never accept it as a fact from some smelly liberal. You are just another sheep who follows whatever your ideology tells you.
Ron Paul is an idiot.

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I just did. The climate is changing, and climate is more than just temperature.
And it will continue to change regardless of what humans do.

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AGW is certainly happening, while CAGW is very much unclear. Please at least know what you are discussing, it makes your look uninformed.
Once again, you are saying theory will happen. Prove it with facts.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:31 PM
 
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Actually it establishes that humans are responsible for climate change, CAGW is just trying to figure out that "catastrophic" part.
Prove that theory with fact.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:32 PM
 
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Actually it establishes that humans are responsible for climate change, CAGW is just trying to figure out that "catastrophic" part.
It doesn't though.

It establishes that man contributes to C02 and C02 is a component of warming. It does not establish that C02 is the main driver (or can be) for warming and it certainly does not establish the position that increased warming is the cause of catastrophic events.

To go from AGW to CAGW, you have to make so many assumptions, that... you might as well be reading palms.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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It doesn't though.

It establishes that man contributes to C02 and C02 is a component of warming. It does not establish that C02 is the main driver (or can be) for warming and it certainly does not establish the position that increased warming is the cause of catastrophic events.

To go from AGW to CAGW, you have to make so many assumptions, that... you might as well be reading palms.
Precisely why there ar no facts to back their ardent assertions. Or theories or whatever.............
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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Its a valid point which you can't overcome so you cloud it with the "that was then but this is now" shtick.
Actually it's not. Anyone slightly educated in public schools knows the Earth has undergone countless climate changes. Perhaps when you were at school they didn't have science courses...


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Exactly. And when it happens again, you will wish it was warmer and wonder why you tried to fight it warming up so hard.
LOLZ. So you are admitting that we humans have the power to cool the planet now?


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The climate will change anyway regardless of what humans will do. Its dynamic. Its warming on Mars, did the rovers cause it?
Again.... anyone who is slightly educated knows the climate is dynamic.....

But we can't stop natural climate change, we can stop climate change from our emissions. But hey, maybe you think it would be better to be reactive instead of proactive. Betting on it will be cheaper to be reactive is certainly a gamble.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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Point is, you are arguing with a "believer" and he will never accept anything other than complete submission to his belief. /shrug
It's not just them, it's also the Obamabots. They're like hypnotized and unable to reason. Like religious people.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:36 PM
 
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It doesn't though.

It establishes that man contributes to C02 and C02 is a component of warming. It does not establish that C02 is the main driver (or can be) for warming and it certainly does not establish the position that increased warming is the cause of catastrophic events.

To go from AGW to CAGW, you have to make so many assumptions, that... you might as well be reading palms.
ANTHROPOGENIC= PEOPLE
GLOBAL= THE ENTIRE PLANET
WARMING = AN INCREASE IN TEMP

So no..... if you accept AGW then you accept that human actions are affecting the climate....... CAGW refers to the severity of the consequences.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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Precisely why there ar no facts to back their ardent assertions. Or theories or whatever.............
Or whatever..... Exactly. You really have no clue.
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Old 07-24-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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Actually it's not. Anyone slightly educated in public schools knows the Earth has undergone countless climate changes. Perhaps when you were at school they didn't have science courses...
And will again. But not by humans.
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LOLZ. So you are admitting that we humans have the power to cool the planet now?
No more than they do to warm it.
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But we can't stop natural climate change, we can stop climate change from our emissions. But hey, maybe you think it would be better to be reactive instead of proactive. Betting on it will be cheaper to be reactive is certainly a gamble.
It will change but humans will have no impact. Its sheer arrogance to assume the human produced 1/10th of one percent of all the total emissions emitted that humans will actually do more than what natural forces do on a regular basis.
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