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Old 07-26-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Bily Lovec View Post
you may live in Texas but you have no understanding of Texas law.

Perry has Z E R O to do with any of this.
hes simply running his mouth.
Abbott will be the offical response to this.

considering Texas is one of the F E W states who give more $$ to the feds then the feds gives to Texas, Abbott has way more bargaining power than you realize.
Oh, I have complete understanding of Texas law. I could turn this back at you and say you obviously don't understand that feds trump Texas. Doesn't surprise me if you live in Texas and don't get this, because I see this all the time. And I've repeatedly stated that there are examples of unconstitutional laws all over the country. Also, you might want to back up your last sentence beginning with "considering", lest you look uninformed. Texas can no longer complain that it gives more than it gets from federal government | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

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Old 07-26-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Holder is a tool

He has to be the worst attorney general ever.
Nothing General about him...he is an Attorney Private.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:03 AM
 
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Yep - Texas is nothing but Oil.

None of this counts at all ....... Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

Texas has the most farms and the highest acreage in the United States. Texas leads the nation in livestock production. Cattle is the state's most valuable agricultural product, and the state leads nationally in production of sheep and goat products. Texas leads the nation in production of cotton. The state grows significant amounts of cereal crops and produce. Texas has a large commercial fishing industry. With mineral resources, Texas leads in creating cement, crushed stone, lime, salt, sand and gravel. The state is a leader in renewable energy commercialisation; it produces the most wind power in the nation. The Port of Houston today is the busiest port in the United States in foreign tonnage, second in overall tonnage, and tenth worldwide in tonnage. And then there is the Tech and Medical economy + Texas leads the nation in the number of Fortune 500 companies with Texas as headquarters. The unemployment rate in Texas (as of June 2013) is 6.5%.

Most people actually know next to nothing about Texas. When Texas became a State, the undeveloped land was retained by the State - that's why Texas has only 1 National Park. The off shore boundary is double what any other State has - Texas retained that also. Texas has it's own power grid that is not connected to the upper 48 and is controlled by Texas EPCOT.
Exactly why Texas should secede. It would be in their best interests to do so.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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Those 40 year old laws regarding the southern states are way outdated.
Considering the quick moves North Carolina has made to disenfranchise through redistricting and restricting voter rights of students and the very poor, I'd say it's quaint that people think that the power structures in Southern states have evolved that much in past 40 years.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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You need to read the SCOTUS ruling.

"In its ruling last month, the Supreme Court invalidated a legislative formula that had resulted in parts or all of 15 states having to clear all voting changes in advance with the Justice Department or federal court. However, the justices left intact a rarely-used mechanism that allows judges to impose the same pre-clearance requirements on states and localities found to have intentionally discriminated illegally in voting practices."

Read more: DOJ to challenge SCOTUS decision - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

In other words, the affected states don't have to pre-clear their new voting laws anymore as long as they're not doing anything wrong, but if a state is proposing or passing laws that are found to intentionally discriminate, then a judge can put the requirement for pre-clearance right back into place. The SCOTUS left that option in place on purpose for situations just like this.
The "situation" that Holder is attempting to use is the Texas Re-districting plan from last year. The same Federal Court that Holder is attempting to use (this is Judge shopping) drew the plan we are using now - The Texas Legislature could have changed that plan due to the recent SCOTUS decision - BUT did not do that.

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Holder is filing in federal court (before a judge) to have the "bail in" process reinstated so that voting legislation has to be precleared. The judge will decide if the process is handed back to the DOJ or not. That means that if the DOJ can prove that Texas is purposefully trying to pass discriminatory voting laws, the rules will go back to the way they were before the SCOTUS ruling. If the judge approves it, it doesn't mean that Texas can pass what they want, and then the fight against the voting laws will have to work their way through the court system. It means that they'll have to go back to getting approval again from the DOJ before they can pass any voting laws at all.
This is basically true, but the bolded part is crucial. The way Section 5 worked in the past was that the DOJ didn't need to "prove" anything - they would make the State "prove" that any voting change would NOT be discriminatory ..... proving a Negative is always difficult. Holder is going to have to now "prove" that Texas (and all other States) discriminate. He can no longer just assert it.

This will wind up in Court again and Holder may lose the Section 3 this time. He lost Section 5 because of his constant Over-Reach. If Dems are all wee-weed up about the recent SCOTUS decision - you can thank Eric Holder for that business.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Considering the quick moves North Carolina has made to disenfranchise through redistricting and restricting voter rights of students and the very poor, I'd say it's quaint that people think that the power structures in Southern states have evolved that much in past 40 years.
I'm wondering why you are not calling on holder to look into the redistracting here California that surpresses the conservative areas of the state?
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yep - Texas is nothing but Oil.

None of this counts at all ....... Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is not allowed

Texas has the most farms and the highest acreage in the United States. Texas leads the nation in livestock production. Cattle is the state's most valuable agricultural product, and the state leads nationally in production of sheep and goat products. Texas leads the nation in production of cotton. The state grows significant amounts of cereal crops and produce. Texas has a large commercial fishing industry. With mineral resources, Texas leads in creating cement, crushed stone, lime, salt, sand and gravel. The state is a leader in renewable energy commercialisation; it produces the most wind power in the nation. The Port of Houston today is the busiest port in the United States in foreign tonnage, second in overall tonnage, and tenth worldwide in tonnage. And then there is the Tech and Medical economy + Texas leads the nation in the number of Fortune 500 companies with Texas as headquarters. The unemployment rate in Texas (as of June 2013) is 6.5%.

Most people actually know next to nothing about Texas. When Texas became a State, the undeveloped land was retained by the State - that's why Texas has only 1 National Park. The off shore boundary is double what any other State has - Texas retained that also. Texas has it's own power grid that is not connected to the upper 48 and is controlled by Texas EPCOT.
That is so true. There are some aspects of Texas that are unique to Texas alone.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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I'm wondering why you are not calling on holder to look into the redistracting here California that surpresses the conservative areas of the state?
Because it doesn't Redistricting in California Still Dogged by Politics
If anything the California redistricting is actually representative of the people of that state, who are less and less "conservative" with every election. Even Republicans on the redistricting board say it's hard to create competitive districts because Republicans and Democrats tend to live in different areas plus there are just fewer and fewer registered Republicans.

But keep up that persecution complex.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'm wondering why you are not calling on holder to look into the redistracting here California that surpresses the conservative areas of the state?
For one thing CA is not a Republican state and is not part of the southern states that fought in the Civil War. The administration is convincing people that the southern states are going back to pre-Civil War voting policies and only they can save the people of the districts, not the state.

Holder and his DOJ are involved in 15 states. The others are majority Democrat and he's leaving them alone.
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Old 07-26-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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Holder should go after CA, absolutely. One party rule is not good for anyone. With that said, California, doesn't fall under the 1965 umbrella, so the fruit doesn't hang as low. Furthermore, has anyone called for this? If they have, they should shout from the rooftops beyond Blaze, Fox, etc.
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