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Conclusion: White ARRIVAL caused Detroit's RISE and white DEPARTURE created its decline and the racist history of America is the CONTEXT of how and why this happened.
Or, misguided, left-wing democratic party laws, regulations and policies played a major roll in destroying a once thriving city
oh you blaming the white man again.. I have black friends so I cant be such a racist
and don't forget blacks sold blacks for slavery in Africa..
Oh my gosh you did not just use the "black friend" defense....lol. Racism is NOT how one feels about an individual of another race that they KNOW, but rather, the individuals of that other race that one DOES NOT KNOW. Its not about HATE, but assumptions of inferiority. People LOVE their pets, despite seeing their pets as mentally inferior to themselves. Thus, hate is not a prerequisite of racism, which is rooted in the belief of racial supremacy.
In regards to the History of Africa, I am quite sure that I know far more details of its history than do you.
Nothing is more inflaming, divisive and animus inspiring than a truth that is being hidden. Hence, by simply speaking the truth, one is an agitator and provocateur, to those who are part of the conspiracy of like minds to keep a certain truth hidden. If a messenger is to be attacked, let him be attacked and discredited for speaking falsehoods, and not the truth. If someone is tired of hearing a truth, it erodes no validity from that truth. If some is angered by the truth, it erodes no validity from the truth. If someone is made uncomfortable by the truth, it erodes no validity from the truth. However, there is a spectrum that exists between a complete falsehood and a complete truth and hence assertions generally fall somewhere between the polar extremes. Hence, falsify and truth comes in various degrees thereof.
The truth is this. At no time in this nation’s history has African Americans had income and wealth on par with European Americans. For the vast majority of the history of this nation, racial laws were written that created and preserved this inequality. Since every action creates a reaction and since everything that exists is the way it is currently as a result of actions begetting reactions over the continuum of time, the current inequality has its roots in the past, with present assistance of many of the same past attitudes, even without the laws to help back them. The fact that crime is illegal does not mean that laws eliminated crime and by the same token laws against discrimination and bias do not eliminate them either. That is to say that at no point in time has a microcosm of African America been on par economically with the white microcosm.
In light of that claim, or shall I say fact, a city that is a microcosm of black America will be a city with a poverty rate, today, that is 3 times higher, real unemployment over twice as high, and wealth 10 times less than a city that is a microcosm of white America. Thus, a city that morphs from being a microcosm of white America to a microcosm of black America, population remaining the same, will create a much poorer city with far less revenues from incomes and property values, which will result in a tremendous reduction in the ability to maintain services at the level of the historically much wealthier white microcosm. It would be akin to a person who earned 100 k incomes a year accumulating a lifestyle and expenses in line with that income, then losing the job and then finding a job for 66K a year. They cannot maintain the same lifestyle and standard of living.
What manifested in Detroit was not that scenario, however. Black population growth did not offset white population decline in the city, which is why, in 2000 (The year that the black population peaked in Detroit) the city was half its peak population of 1950, and roughly 85% black and maybe 10% white. By 2000 Detroit had lost about 90% of its white population from its peak. The city had 900,000 people from the 2000 census count, which was adjusted to 954,000 after several cities won a suit claiming minority undercounts. Side note: There was no adjustment to the 2010 official count, which makes the comparison of population loss between the decades suspect. Anyway, the resultant is that the much poorer black population inherited a city with expenses and liabilities (such as pensions) accrued for a city of nearly 2 million people that reflected the wealth of the white microcosm.
White Americans made Detroit what it was in 1950, by their CHOICE to move and live in that city, as it was an 85% white city at that time, or somewhere close to that. Had whites never moved to Detroit in such large numbers, it would have never become the 4th largest city in America at that time. That was a double edge sword, however, because the corollary of that is that Detroit’s decline also rest with that same demographic, by their CHOICE to abandon the city. The loss of residents, taxable income and home values (hence property tax revenues) is most profoundly the result of the loss of the white population from the city of Detroit, with their greater incomes and wealth. Black people and leadership were not responsible for creating a thriving city of 2 million people and black people and leadership are not responsible for a city falling from its former glory, although white reaction to the growing presence of black people and their subsequent CHOICE to flee from black people is indeed at the root of Detroit’s Decline.
Conclusion: White ARRIVAL caused Detroit's RISE and white DEPARTURE created its decline and the racist history of America is the CONTEXT of how and why this happened.
While I think this is mostly accurate in the macro sense, I don't think this is accurate in the individual sense, because there are forces of coercion at work as well. If you're white, and you see most of your white neighbors leave and be replaced with black neighbors, the "coercive" instinct is to follow suit. I think what more needs to be examined is why this happened at such a high level in Detroit, and honestly I think a lot of it had to do with decisions and perceptions in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when Detroit was on par with a lot of majority or nearly majority black cities with high crime rates, and not in a class by itself like it is today.
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Oh my gosh you did not just use the "black friend" defense....lol. Racism is NOT how one feels about an individual of another race that they KNOW, but rather, the individuals of that other race that one DOES NOT KNOW. Its not about HATE, but assumptions of inferiority. People LOVE their pets, despite seeing their pets as mentally inferior to themselves. Thus, hate is not a prerequisite of racism, which is rooted in the belief of racial supremacy.
In regards to the History of Africa, I am quite sure that I know far more details of its history than do you.
so you just hate to hear the truth, right? I do not hate black people, brown people green people, red people.
what I do know is you hate to here the facts.. I live where their is more black and brown people than whites, the us vi.. whites are a small percentage of the pop and I have no problem with the blacks and brown peoples ..
so you just keep blaming the whites, go ahead.. I could give a crap what you as an individual thinks..
just wondering, it says you are a servant on your screen name who are you a servant to, allah??
While I think this is mostly accurate in the macro sense, I don't think this is accurate in the individual sense, because there are forces of coercion at work as well. If you're white, and you see most of your white neighbors leave and be replaced with black neighbors, the "coercive" instinct is to follow suit. I think what more needs to be examined is why this happened at such a high level in Detroit, and honestly I think a lot of it had to do with decisions and perceptions in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when Detroit was on par with a lot of majority or nearly majority black cities with high crime rates, and not in a class by itself like it is today.
Are you talking about the “herd mentality”? When one starts running soon the others follow suit? True, even if racism started the stampede, it does not logically follow that every member of the heard was running for that reason. Many were simply running because others were running, but that does not change the fact of what triggered the stampede....or the trampling of blacks that resulted. I don’t think many people believe that ALL whites are racist or that ALL whites, even during the era a slavery, were racist. Hence, pointing out that what is true for the WHOLE is not necessarily true of all the PARTS... is superfluous due to the fact that the argument about the whole is not made invalid by the exceptions to the rule. The reality of the black experience, with white racism, is not invalidated by the known existence of many, many whites who were not only not racist, but worked alongside blacks for justice and equality.
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so you just hate to hear the truth, right? I do not hate black people, brown people green people, red people.
what I do know is you hate to here the facts.. I live where their is more black and brown people than whites, the us vi.. whites are a small percentage of the pop and I have no problem with the blacks and brown peoples ..
so you just keep blaming the whites, go ahead.. I could give a crap what you as an individual thinks..
just wondering, it says you are a servant on your screen name who are you a servant to, allah??
I do not know why you choose to argue against a point that was never made. What does that say about you? I NEVER said anything about HATE and in fact, made a POINT to decouple hate as a necessity for being racist. I said racism is rooted in assumptions of racial superiority and inferiority, which are thoughts and beliefs that can and do exist without the presence of hate. People love pets, despite their belief that the pets are INFERIOR to humans, at least mentally. If beliefs in inferiority were coupled with hate, then people would not love their pets. Hence. liking or loving a black individual does not mean that one does not generally see black people as inferior.
Nothing is more inflaming, divisive and animus inspiring than a truth that is being hidden. Hence, by simply speaking the truth, one is an agitator and provocateur, to those who are part of the conspiracy of like minds to keep a certain truth hidden. If a messenger is to be attacked, let him be attacked and discredited for speaking falsehoods, and not the truth. If someone is tired of hearing a truth, it erodes no validity from that truth. If some is angered by the truth, it erodes no validity from the truth. If someone is made uncomfortable by the truth, it erodes no validity from the truth. However, there is a spectrum that exists between a complete falsehood and a complete truth and hence assertions generally fall somewhere between the polar extremes. Hence, falsify and truth comes in various degrees thereof.
The truth is this. At no time in this nation’s history has African Americans had income and wealth on par with European Americans. For the vast majority of the history of this nation, racial laws were written that created and preserved this inequality. Since every action creates a reaction and since everything that exists is the way it is currently as a result of actions begetting reactions over the continuum of time, the current inequality has its roots in the past, with present assistance of many of the same past attitudes, even without the laws to help back them. The fact that crime is illegal does not mean that laws eliminated crime and by the same token laws against discrimination and bias do not eliminate them either. That is to say that at no point in time has a microcosm of African America been on par economically with the white microcosm.
In light of that claim, or shall I say fact, a city that is a microcosm of black America will be a city with a poverty rate, today, that is 3 times higher, real unemployment over twice as high, and wealth 10 times less than a city that is a microcosm of white America. Thus, a city that morphs from being a microcosm of white America to a microcosm of black America, population remaining the same, will create a much poorer city with far less revenues from incomes and property values, which will result in a tremendous reduction in the ability to maintain services at the level of the historically much wealthier white microcosm. It would be akin to a person who earned 100 k incomes a year accumulating a lifestyle and expenses in line with that income, then losing the job and then finding a job for 66K a year. They cannot maintain the same lifestyle and standard of living.
What manifested in Detroit was not that scenario, however. Black population growth did not offset white population decline in the city, which is why, in 2000 (The year that the black population peaked in Detroit) the city was half its peak population of 1950, and roughly 85% black and maybe 10% white. By 2000 Detroit had lost about 90% of its white population from its peak. The city had 900,000 people from the 2000 census count, which was adjusted to 954,000 after several cities won a suit claiming minority undercounts. Side note: There was no adjustment to the 2010 official count, which makes the comparison of population loss between the decades suspect. Anyway, the resultant is that the much poorer black population inherited a city with expenses and liabilities (such as pensions) accrued for a city of nearly 2 million people that reflected the wealth of the white microcosm.
White Americans made Detroit what it was in 1950, by their CHOICE to move and live in that city, as it was an 85% white city at that time, or somewhere close to that. Had whites never moved to Detroit in such large numbers, it would have never become the 4th largest city in America at that time. That was a double edge sword, however, because the corollary of that is that Detroit’s decline also rest with that same demographic, by their CHOICE to abandon the city. The loss of residents, taxable income and home values (hence property tax revenues) is most profoundly the result of the loss of the white population from the city of Detroit, with their greater incomes and wealth. Black people and leadership were not responsible for creating a thriving city of 2 million people and black people and leadership are not responsible for a city falling from its former glory, although white reaction to the growing presence of black people and their subsequent CHOICE to flee from black people is indeed at the root of Detroit’s Decline.
Conclusion: White ARRIVAL caused Detroit's RISE and white DEPARTURE created its decline and the racist history of America is the CONTEXT of how and why this happened.
So, let me ask you...what are YOU doing to make Detroit a better place now? Whining about being "victimized" is part of a cluture of losers of all races. Trust me, I know enough whites that do the same thing. NOTHING is ever their fault, everyone else is to blame, poor me, etc. Enough whining about how things are, and blaming others. It solves nothing.
What are YOU, and the current citizens of Detroit, doing to fix the problem? What can be done to make the place prosperous once again? It isn't just Detroit, it seems to be a common issue around all the Great Lakes (Rust Belt) cities, for the most part. I'm originally from the Buffalo area, and it's only a matter of time before it goes the way of Detriot, without something dramatically different happening. Cleveland, Toledo, Rochester and to some extent, Chicago seem to be heading in the same direction.
Of course, it's far easier to whine about some perceived "racism" than it is to actually make an effort to fix the problem.
So, let me ask you...what are YOU doing to make Detroit a better place now? Whining about being "victimized" is part of a cluture of losers of all races. Trust me, I know enough whites that do the same thing. NOTHING is ever their fault, everyone else is to blame, poor me, etc. Enough whining about how things are, and blaming others. It solves nothing.
What are YOU, and the current citizens of Detroit, doing to fix the problem? What can be done to make the place prosperous once again? It isn't just Detroit, it seems to be a common issue around all the Great Lakes (Rust Belt) cities, for the most part. I'm originally from the Buffalo area, and it's only a matter of time before it goes the way of Detriot, without something dramatically different happening. Cleveland, Toledo, Rochester and to some extent, Chicago seem to be heading in the same direction.
Of course, it's far easier to whine about some perceived "racism" than it is to actually make an effort to fix the problem.
The history of racism is well documented......the "whining" is perceived. That said, the biggest whiners are those that claime to be the victims of Obama, Obamacare, Obama policies........and just Obama. Talk about Losers...lol.....they are not only losers....they are SORE losers....lol. "Obama is "victimizing" the nation with his socialism and ruining the future of grand children...yadda yadda" non-stop whining 24/7/365
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I do not know why you choose to argue against a point that was never made. What does that say about you? I NEVER said anything about HATE and in fact, made a POINT to decouple hate as a necessity for being racist. I said racism is rooted in assumptions of racial superiority and inferiority, which are thoughts and beliefs that can and do exist without the presence of hate. People love pets, despite their belief that the pets are INFERIOR to humans, at least mentally. If beliefs in inferiority were coupled with hate, then people would not love their pets. Hence. liking or loving a black individual does not mean that one does not generally see black people as inferior.
hate and racism go hand in hand, stop beating the bush to a pulp..
now you are doing the same,, did I ever say blacks, brown, red, yellow, green people are inferior..
go look at all the racist threads and see just how few post I have on them, I usually avoid the racist threads because i'm not racist...
on the other hand your name says you are a "slave" I would like to know who is beating you with a whip.?? usually the ones that bark the loudest and have names like yours are really the true racist that just want to blame other races for their own failures as a race..
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I have black friends so I cant be such a racist
