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Why do you guys always revert back to Islam when slavery in the Americas is brought up? That's beside the point of the thread.
We know that Muslims practiced slavery...so what?
To show it wasn't white people who started it......why do people go to the Crusades and blame Christians for fighting an enemy that was out to destroy the Christians, so they could create Islamic land?
The most religious area of the country is the south and that is the same area where slavery was most abundant. I'm not religious, but from what I understand, being a christian is support to drive your morals, behavior, your entire cultural outlook.
How do you reconcile that with the rampant slavery and jim crow era all the way up until it was legally struck down? The whole thing doesn't make sense and makes me understand religion, or the role religion plays in peoples lives even less.
The most religious area of the country is the south and that is the same area where slavery was most abundant. I'm not religious, but from what I understand, being a christian is support to drive your morals, behavior, your entire cultural outlook.
How do you reconcile that with the rampant slavery and jim crow era all the way up until it was legally struck down? The whole thing doesn't make sense and makes me understand religion, or the role religion plays in peoples lives even less.
Many people, have a lemming mentality and cannot think for themselves or succumb to peer pressure.
Religion has many good things, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Unfortunately most do not hold leaders to their word. No different than those who blindly support their party over policy.
Ghandi had it right, I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians, they are un Christ like.
This is exactly why we must not give our Federal government ALL the power. We can see the signs of abuse happening now. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
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And you'd never seen signs of government abuse of power until recently?
I didn't say that, now did I? I agreed with your premise, which you oppose when it comes to governmental abuse. You have 20-20 vision when it comes to religion, yet are selectively blind when it comes to government. How convenient.
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Originally Posted by FabianS Well they did pioneer it in Africa. There would have been no international African trade without them.
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That doesn't mean that Christians would've never gotten around to practicing the African slave trade had the Arabs not beat them to it.
Besides, are the Arabs to blame for Christian behavior towards the natives of this continent starting in the late 1400's? That was no less brutal than the African slave trade, and if anything, it was much worse.
Ah, but that's just "what if" revisioning. You're full of skewed assumptions and crying foul on Christians based on them! The fact is that Muslim's did and still do slavery. Christianity/Catholicism is the main reason the rest of the world stopped. That is an undeniable fact.
Many people, have a lemming mentality and cannot think for themselves or succumb to peer pressure.
Religion has many good things, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Unfortunately most do not hold leaders to their word. No different than those who blindly support their party over policy.
Ghandi had it right, I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians, they are un Christ like.
I took the ( The Political Compass - Test ) political compass test, and am proud to be right next to Ghandi and the Dali Lama. Being a Christian and being Christ like can be two different things.
Christians who don't place wealth and power ahead of everything else are Christ like. Jesus said that a wealthy man has the same chance of getting to heaven as a Camel going through the eye of a needle. This would infer that those who live in want and need, envy and greed, are not getting to heaven no matter what they believe.
The most religious area of the country is the south and that is the same area where slavery was most abundant. I'm not religious, but from what I understand, being a christian is support to drive your morals, behavior, your entire cultural outlook.
How do you reconcile that with the rampant slavery and jim crow era all the way up until it was legally struck down? The whole thing doesn't make sense and makes me understand religion, or the role religion plays in peoples lives even less.
Slavery is in the Bible...its OK according to god.... Good ole religion for ya.
How can anyone accept a God who tells you its ok to beat your slave within an inch of his life as long as he gets up after a couple days and doesnt die?
This is exactly why we must not give our Federal government ALL the power. We can see the signs of abuse happening now. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
I didn't say that, now did I? I agreed with your premise, which you oppose when it comes to governmental abuse. You have 20-20 vision when it comes to religion, yet are selectively blind when it comes to government. How convenient.
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Originally Posted by FabianS Well they did pioneer it in Africa. There would have been no international African trade without them.
Ah, but that's just "what if" revisioning. You're full of skewed assumptions and crying foul on Christians based on them! The fact is that Muslim's did and still do slavery. Christianity/Catholicism is the main reason the rest of the world stopped. That is an undeniable fact.
You know my position on government abuse?
Great. Why don't you tell me what it is then...since I don't ever remember discussing such a thing with you or anyone else.
The last part of your post (in bold) is not only a big ass lie that can't be proved by any evidence, but is so absurd that I'm shocked that you'd even attempt to advance it.
Christianity is the reason for the abolition of slavery worldwide? That's complete bullsh*t and you know it. In fact, if that were so irrefutably true, you would've had no reason to revert back to the Islamic comparisons in the first place.
Not to mention that once again, one would have to ignore the fact that there was widespread slavery in Christian nations to begin with. How do you explain that? Did the Christian doctrine change all of a sudden in regard to slavery and cruel subjugation of one's fellow man?
What's the Catholic church's excuse as to their behavior RIGHT HERE in the Americas, which was probably even MORE brutal than the African slave trade.
Or how about the Catholic church's role in looking the other way during the Holocaust when they knew that millions of people were being slaughtered? I won't even bother with their direct role in their involvement with Catholic militias in Croatia during the Bosnian conflict.
To show it wasn't white people who started it......why do people go to the Crusades and blame Christians for fighting an enemy that was out to destroy the Christians, so they could create Islamic land?
What's that got to do with the OP's questions?
If Christianity is morally superior to Islam as you Christians imply, then the comparisons should be self evident and completely unnecessary.
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Real Christians didn't.
No true Scotsman, eh?
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Originally Posted by Loveshiscountry
Many people, have a lemming mentality and cannot think for themselves or succumb to peer pressure.
Religion has many good things, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Unfortunately most do not hold leaders to their word. No different than those who blindly support their party over policy.
Ghandi had it right, I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians, they are un Christ like.
Again, the Informal Fallacy argument simply doesn't work in this case
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Originally Posted by steven_h
I took the ( The Political Compass - Test ) political compass test, and am proud to be right next to Ghandi and the Dali Lama. Being a Christian and being Christ like can be two different things.
Christians who don't place wealth and power ahead of everything else are Christ like. Jesus said that a wealthy man has the same chance of getting to heaven as a Camel going through the eye of a needle. This would infer that those who live in want and need, envy and greed, are not getting to heaven no matter what they believe.
LMAO...if i were you, I wouldn't be worrying too much about getting into heaven. Seriously.
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Good ole religion for ya.
