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Old 08-01-2013, 01:29 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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"a doctor who works 40 hrs per week should be paid the same as a burger flipper who works 40 hrs per week? If that was the case, who the heck would want the stress and extended education it takes to be a doctor? It's unworkable."

I think we underestimate humans. Many of us are indeed used to doing things because of money, not because we actually believe it is right, but because we grow up taking that attitude for granted, as if it were some holy rule that some people deserve more than others. I never bought into that.

Regarding doctors for instance, I think there are enough people who simply want to help others and are interested in medicine, biology etc. That is all it takes. Of course one has to compensate for their long studies by getting rid of tuition. Like they do it in several other countries, where higher education is paid by taxes and basically anyone can attend university, if they got the brains. Nobody should be in debt after attending college or university.

And yes, I see nothing wrong with both earning the same once they actually work, i.e. after apprenticeship, college or whatever. Even today, with high-profile jobs reputation is the important thing, not money.

This attitude would bring about a major shift in the kinds of jobs people do and also in the way people are looked upon. That whole class thinking would largely disappear in the long run.
And people would simply become nicer as the whole rat race and felt obligation to climb up some career ladder would be reduced significantly.

 
Old 08-01-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Someone wrote this anonymously as a rep comment:

"a doctor who works 40 hrs per week should be paid the same as a burger flipper who works 40 hrs per week? If that was the case, who the heck would want the stress and extended education it takes to be a doctor? It's unworkable."

I think we underestimate humans. Many of us are indeed used to doing things because of money, not because we actually believe it is right, but because we grow up taking that attitude for granted, as if it were some holy rule that some people deserve more than others. I never bought into that.

Regarding doctors for instance, I think there are enough people who simply want to help others and are interested in medicine, biology etc. That is all it takes. Of course one has to compensate for their long studies by getting rid of tuition. Like they do it in several other countries, where higher education is paid by taxes and basically anyone can attend university, if they got the brains. Nobody should be in debt after attending college or university.

And yes, I see nothing wrong with both earning the same once they actually work, i.e. after apprenticeship, college or whatever. Even today, with high-profile jobs reputation is the important thing, not money.

This attitude would bring about a major shift in the kinds of jobs people do and also in the way people are looked upon. That whole class thinking would largely disappear in the long run.
And people would simply become nicer as the whole rat race and felt obligation to climb up some career ladder would be reduced significantly.
Well, I'd still prefer being a doctor even if it is paid the same as as burger flipper.
However, if the job market works this way, it'll totally be a disaster.

Yes, many other countries offer free or low-cost college education, but they are also very selective.
"Weak students" have no chance at all, unlike in the US where everyone wants to have a try.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 02:00 PM
 
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Well, I'd still prefer being a doctor even if it is paid the same as as burger flipper.
However, if the job market works this way, it'll totally be a disaster.

Yes, many other countries offer free or low-cost college education, but they are also very selective.
"Weak students" have no chance at all, unlike in the US where everyone wants to have a try.
Well, unfortunately I cannot change nature and the fact that some people are simply more clever than others. But at least the burger flipper would have a decent life as well and not feel as if he failed or whatever modern society keeps making underachievers feel.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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What is with all these new posters with extremely poor arguments?
 
Old 08-01-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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If a doctor and a burger flipper earned the same money, I'd drop out of school ASAP and go to work at the Mickey Ds. After all if I earned X as a burger flipper starting at age 16, I'd be better off in the long run (10 times X) than a doctor who spent an additional 10 years in school learning instead of earning. Simple math.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 03:11 PM
 
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If a doctor and a burger flipper earned the same money, I'd drop out of school ASAP and go to work at the Mickey Ds. After all if I earned X as a burger flipper starting at age 16, I'd be better off in the long run (10 times X) than a doctor who spent an additional 10 years in school learning instead of earning. Simple math.
From the money saved later by not paying doctors giant wages year after year, one could give students an income
 
Old 08-01-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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The whole human concept of government is socialism....just not the kind of socialism many Americans equate it to.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Are you saying that socialism has been shown not to lead to totalitarianism in countries that are not socialist. How does that even make sense?
Of course I'm not saying that. You've got many countries practicing what you erroneously call socialism and they are not totalitarian states. The U.S. itself shows some of the same markers used to describe socialist countries by the ill informed and is one of them that borders on becoming totalitarian.

I'm saying you are describing countries as socialist when in fact they are still using some form of a capitalist model to distribute wealth arrived through individual and private production.

Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, VA health care, universal education, private enterprise insulated from failure as in "too big to fail" GM and BANKS THAT GOT TAXPAYER MONEY TO STAY AFLOAT! Food stamps and cel-phones for baby momma's without husbands.

Are those not just a few of the markers present in your country that many of you use to describe a socialist country?

Are you totalitarian?


Stocks Of Socialized Countries Have Outperformed U.S. Since Reagan Era

To those who say socialism doesn’t work | Paulitics

And just so you understand exactly what constututes a Socialist country here is an excellant article that serves to debunk the use of that word to describe many of those you insist on calling socialist.

Socialist Party FAQ

I think you should differentiate between a "socialist" country and one that shows a "societal conscience"
with a capitalist format.
 
Old 08-01-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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Having said that, I do think that people should be paid only based on the number of hours worked, not on the kind of job they do. I think it is an urban myth that people only work well if they see the dollar signs in their eyes. To the contrary, often well paid jobs only attract the wrong kind of people.
Are you saying if we both have worked 8 hours but you've made 8 units and I've managed to make only 2 we'll get paid the same? Why?
 
Old 08-01-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Are you saying if we both have worked 8 hours but you've made 8 units and I've managed to make only 2 we'll get paid the same? Why?
There will always be lazy or otherwise underachieving people. I have seen it in an office where I used to work, some people simply work more than others during the same period. Some don't want to work more, others can't. Still they got all paid the same. Actually, the lazy ones got more if they had been with that company longer.
Nor am I against firing people if necessary. They would still need a job in my system...
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