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Old 07-28-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Many of the voter registrations already require SS# or drivers licenses and an address. The effectiveness of voter ID's would depend on the clarity and the ability of the polling employees, also not clear if the frequency of updates, hard to tell from a picture that is several years old. How do they establish the validity of an absentee ballot.
Actually the system is easily beaten for absentee. You can easily register by mail and then vote absentee. They send the absentee ballot to the registered address.

One of the local bars had an issue and registered dozen of clients at the bar. The plan was to vote all the ballots as desired. Broke down when voting people picked up the large number of applications from a single address.

Other famous one was a local Republican poll worker who decided to demonstrate how bad the system was broken. She got challenged and lacked the good sense to back down. I believe they let her plead to a dismissible misdemeanor rather than the felony initially charged.

Much of the goings on is obvious but difficult to prove. Some politically connected households have everyone registered through three generation and the cat. Can sway a local election sometimes.

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Old 07-28-2013, 03:13 PM
 
Location: texas
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When can we expect him to file suit against Illinois?


What is your contention for displying district maps? Districts are whacky or there was a concerted effort to dilute votes?
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The "picture" should be a lot easier on the poll workers that have "clarity and ability" issues. Absentee voting in Texas is still done in person, it's just early voting - A Picture I.D. is still verified.
Vote by Mail is different - no Picture I.D is required.

This is a losing issue for Leftists - the public is overwhelmingly in favor of Picture I.D. for voting - Leftists and Winger Dems are running a big risk over fighting this so hard. Many States already have it and there are no problems. The US Supreme Court has already approved Picture I.D. for voting. The perception is going to take hold that Leftists and Democrats don't want a Picture I.D because they do want to commit Voter Fraud. Doesn't matter whether they "do" want that or not ..... that's the way it's beginning to look to a lot of people. The public wants this.
The recent ruling was on the preclearance requirement, the Supreme Court did not "approve" voter ID's although some states have them with qualification. The PA voter ID's are still in the courts, and the decisions are based on law, not the popularity.

The rumor is that the GOP wants to reduce voter fraud, that is fiction as what they really want to do is eliminate elderly and poor from voting, they have already indicated this will tilt the election. Their goal is to make it as difficult as possible on the demographic that supports the democrats, mission accomplished.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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So those few whose right to vote is potentially taken away doesn't matter? Oh, it will matter to the judge.
"right to vote is potentially taken away"

I hate to burst your bubble but, there is "potential" in everything.

The next election is 1 and a half years away. The President is 3 and a half. If you can't find someone to get you a ride in that time you don't want to vote very much. Get real!
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:55 PM
 
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Holder is not going after the Voter ID law.
Holder is going after redistricting.

There are groups of people who don't like the new Texas redistricting lines.

Lloyd Doggett will get parts of San Antonio.
Doggett typically represents Austin.
The Hispanics want Doggett out because they say it's not fair because they want an Hispanic representing them.
As I have posted before, the dems had no problem with redistricting for the 40 YEARS THEY controlled the House.

My ex county is a perfect example. The repubs were gaining in R registration so what did the "I care about the people" do? They split the county 4 ways putting each of the 4 areas into heavily dem districts, diluting any possibility that a repub could win.

The sanctimonious attitude shown NOW is sickening.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:57 PM
 
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I already have and provided a neat little list of links that confirms that the right wing "voter fraud" BS is just that...BS. Read the links or don't...your choice.
Sorry, your "sources" have NO credibility.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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Hey, let's be fair. Redistricting is done on both sides, unfairly all the time. I never understood why the drew the Doggett map like that. They should have let the Valley have their guy (although I'm sure he was stealing probably got caught etc.)
I agree but, to be fair how many times in the last 50 years have the repubs been in control of the House after a Census?
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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Obama and Eric Holder take on Texas and other states on voting | New Republic

They make some great points. Had they (N.C. and Texas) not rushed to put up these restrictions up immediately, they may have gotten their legislation passed and would not have other aspects questioned. Also, I would argue that the fact the whole voter fraud issue is a myth, it makes matters worse for TX and NC.

If you are going to argue that it is not a myth, please cite a source other than the Blaze or a red state spoon feeder. Try a neutral source Thank you in advance.
why should anybody cite a neutral site if you, yourself start with ******* one?
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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the Supreme Court did not "approve" voter ID's although some states have them with qualification.
SCOTUS ruled back in 2007 voter ID is constitutional.
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Old 07-28-2013, 06:33 PM
 
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The recent ruling was on the preclearance requirement, the Supreme Court did not "approve" voter ID's although some states have them with qualification. The PA voter ID's are still in the courts, and the decisions are based on law, not the popularity.

The rumor is that the GOP wants to reduce voter fraud, that is fiction as what they really want to do is eliminate elderly and poor from voting, they have already indicated this will tilt the election. Their goal is to make it as difficult as possible on the demographic that supports the democrats, mission accomplished.
Sigh ...... google is your friend. Use it before you deny what most of us already know. This stuff has been going on for years - a lot of people (and I'm one of them) follow U.S. Supreme Court Rulings and Voter Laws.

Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008), is a United States Supreme Court case holding that an Indiana law requiring voters to provide photo IDs did not violate the Constitution of the United States.

Indiana passed Voter I.D. in 2005, of course it wound up in court. Indiana was not a Pre-Clearance State ...... the court ruled in 2008. The case was accepted by the court in 2007.

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At trial, the plaintiffs were unable to produce any witnesses who claimed they were not able to meet the law's requirements. The defendants were likewise unable to present any evidence that the corruption purportedly motivating the law existed.

The District Court and 7th Circuit Court of Appeals both upheld the law. The circuit court was deeply divided, with the dissent characterizing the law as a thinly-veiled attempt to disenfranchise low-income Democratic Party voters.

In a 6-3 decision in 2008, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the photo ID requirement, finding it closely related to Indiana's legitimate state interest in preventing voter fraud, modernizing elections, and safeguarding voter confidence.
30 States have some form of "Voter I.D. -- 12 States have a law for a photo Voter I.D.
I repeat ..... the public is overwhelmingly in favor of a photo Voter I.D. law.
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