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Old 08-03-2013, 12:57 AM
 
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In any case, Jay Smooth said basically what needed to be said:


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Old 08-03-2013, 01:25 AM
 
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Pretty tame stuff but it ignited some pretty ugly comments from the Left in response including from our delusional friends on MSNBC.





CNN's Don Lemon: Bill O'Reilly's Criticism Of Black Community "Doesn't Go Far Enough" | RealClearPolitics

This othering of black Americans has got to stop.

By positioning societal problems in racial terms, it illustrates the point that America doesn't see nor treat black Americans as Americans, but instead as some outside group that has it's own internal problems that are separate from American society.

This is an absurd and racist view.

D. Lemon's advice is simplistic and silly. Pull up your pants and the N-word really? Lol
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:41 AM
 
Location: USA
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So who's going to get this message out to the black community? No one in broke ghettos watches CNN or Fox.
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Old 08-03-2013, 03:17 AM
 
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So who's going to get this message out to the black community? No one in broke ghettos watches CNN or Fox.
What message?

You really believe that poor black people don't...... forget it.
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Old 08-03-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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How far does Lemon want O'Reilly to go? Does he want O'Reilly to be even more anti-Black?
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Old 08-03-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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How far does Lemon want O'Reilly to go? Does he want O'Reilly to be even more anti-Black?
Some of the most "racist", hypocritical people I have met are college educated, black people. I was personally offended by comments made at a group I attended, of, what I thought were progressive African Americans.

It was a stunning realization. I, a blonde, fair skinned woman, was more empathetic, and open minded, than a group of college educated, employed, upper middle class black folks. Really, all that was missing, were a few white hoods, and a burning cross.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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And do you know what the OOW rate is for white women? How about Latinos? Have you done anything regarding research that number or do you believe everything that the government tells you?
The overall oow birth rate in the US is 40% these days and the black birth rate is declining. Particularly among college educated blacks. And the fastest growth group of college grads? Black women.


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Old 08-03-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Some of the most "racist", hypocritical people I have met are college educated, black people. I was personally offended by comments made at a group I attended, of, what I thought were progressive African Americans.

It was a stunning realization. I, a blonde, fair skinned woman, was more empathetic, and open minded, than a group of college educated, employed, upper middle class black folks. Really, all that was missing, were a few white hoods, and a burning cross.
Our society has done a few things to make this happen. First, we have decided to associate all "bad" or "undesirable" behavior with black people. Even when the incidence of these behaviors is similar or climbing for all groups. Secondly we as a nation "hate poor people." We have constructed poverty as a black problem, and not an economic problem. And thirdly, with "tokenism" and similar initiatives, we try to paint individual success as a reflection of the success as an entire group.

If you are one of the lucky few who has managed to rise to the too, the best way to stay there is to "reject" any potential negative association. Lemon's advice is reflexive of this issue. He is saying, distance yourself from this behavior that has been socially construed as black, and you will be accepted by the mainstream.

Read the comments here, many people believe that by magically switching to a Brook Brothers outfit, you'll suddenly be able to move up in the world. When in reality we have been telling black people, particular poor ones, that you are worthless, have no value, and aren't worth the effort of "fixing."

Admission to the upper echelon or even middle class is precarious at best, as even college educated black people have twice the unemployment rates of similarly qualified whites. It is a symptom of the disease of institutional racism.


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Old 08-03-2013, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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How far does Lemon want O'Reilly to go? Does he want O'Reilly to be even more anti-Black?
How has white racism effected your life? How has it stopped your progress?
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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How has white racism effected your life? How has it stopped your progress?
Again, this is a silly question.

Here is what we can do as American we can look at statistical data.

On every measure, from business owners, to MBA's, to high school grads, to blue collar workers, to etc and so on, black Americans do statistically worse than white Americans with the same skills and education, and jobs.


Its one thing if you say well, black Americans who don't graduate from high school do poorly, but it is another when you say black Americans who are entrepreneurs do worse than white Americans who are entrepreneurs.

Black Americans who are college grads do worse than white American college grads. And this is the truth.

It is one thing to say hey black people should do this and this and that, but then it is pure nonsense to ignore that when black Americans do those things, they still are more likely to be unemployed, more likely to not own a home, more likely to have a low paying job, more likely to live in a poorer neighborhood than white Americans with the same level of education, and this happens to black Americans across the board.

The stats on education, pay, employment and race are devastating to the view that black Americans aren't facing racial discrimination when seeking employment.

Not to mention the statistics concerning home loans, car loans, insurance, the criminal justice system.

The drum beat of statistics that point to systematic racial discrimination against black Americans is overwhelming.

No matter how those black Americans behave, they do worse than white Americans on average who have the same jobs, the same educations, etc.

That is how racism works. That is how racism impacts black Americans.
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