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I am not talking about the single mom who needs help after her husband died, but the poor women who has 6 kids, is pregnant with her 7th kid, her first two daughters are pregnant, her son has impregnated a girl at age 17. ect
Do you believe the welfare system rewards the wrong people for the wrong actions and has lead to America becoming a ineptocracy
Ineptocracy
a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.
I don't think it has much to do with rewards. In Germany they have tried rewards for having more children, just didn't work, people don't reproduce because of money.
Conversely, people don't stop to reproduce just because they are poor and don't receive any help. Look at Africa or Afghanistan, people there just don't want to realize that it is better to have and focus all their efforts on just 1 or 2 kids instead of 8 or 10.
I guess religion and superstition are also partly to blame. Usually the more religious a couple is, the more children they have. And religiousness in turn usually depends on how educated a person is.
I don't think it has much to do with rewards. In Germany they have tried rewards for having more children, just didn't work, people don't reproduce because of money.
Germany has a highly regressive tax system. The U.S. doesn't.
Conversely, people don't stop to reproduce just because they are poor and don't receive any help. Look at Africa or Afghanistan, people there just don't want to realize that it is better to have and focus all their efforts on just 1 or 2 kids instead of 8 or 10.
High infant mortality rates and shorter life expectancies provide a natural means of balancing out the higher birth rates in those countries.
High infant mortality rates and shorter life expectancies provide a natural means of balancing out the higher birth rates in those countries.
Well, the tax system is the same throughout the country. Still, there are regional differences. Generally speaking, fertility is highest in rural areas (which also happen to be the regions where educational levels are lowest and religiousness is highest). In cities it is usually only first-generation immigrants that have more kids, but they soon adapt to the German behavior.
It is a vicious cycle. What you say about mortality and life expectancy is correct, but it is a rather sad vision of human life, a bit like the rat approach. As long as people have so many kids, they will remain poor, and as long as they are poor, they seem to feel like having many kids is the way to survive.
Well, the tax system is the same throughout the country. Still, there are regional differences. Generally speaking, fertility is highest in rural areas (which also happen to be the regions where educational levels are lowest and religiousness is highest). In cities it is usually only first-generation immigrants that have more kids, but they soon adapt to the German behavior.
All of which has nothing to do with the fact that Germany's tax system is highly regressive. Financial incentives to reproduce have proven to be unprofitable under such a tax system, and therefore are ineffective.
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What you say about mortality and life expectancy is correct, but it is a rather sad vision of human life, a bit like the rat approach.
Odd that you think of it that way. It's evolutionary. Do you suddenly now not believe in evolution?
All of which has nothing to do with the fact that Germany's tax system is highly regressive. Financial incentives to reproduce have proven to be unprofitable under such a tax system, and therefore are ineffective.
Odd that you think of it that way. It's evolutionary. Do you suddenly now not believe in evolution?
Well, the thing is, those whose reproduction society should have an interest in, namely of the brightest ones, are usually doing well, they can't be lured with money or similar incentives, regardless of the tax system. If they don't feel like having kids, that is the way it will be.
Believe in evolution? I don't think it is anything to believe in. It is a fact. Having said that, I do think that humans have kind of switched off evolution, which is a good thing. That is why we try to cure people in hospitals instead of just letting them die as if they were some wild animals.
Believe in evolution? I don't think it is anything to believe in. It is a fact. Having said that, I do think that humans have kind of switched off evolution, which is a good thing. That is why we try to cure people in hospitals instead of just letting them die as if they were some wild animals.
So... a population consisting overly disproportionately of the welfare-dependent improves society how? How do you not understand that artificially financially supporting an exponentially increasing dependent class is mathematically unsustainable?
So... a population consisting overly disproportionately of the welfare-dependent improves society how? How do you not understand that artificially financially supporting an exponentially increasing dependent class is mathematically unsustainable?
Oh, I do see that there is a problem, I just don't think that for instance slashing support would stop the majority of those people from having too many kids.
I don't know any short-term solution.
Maybe we make the mistake to think evolution has some good or any goal for that matter. Maybe living and reproducing at the expense of society is already an achievement in terms of evolution. Maybe evolution works in favor of the mediocre, not the elite.
Oh, I do see that there is a problem, I just don't think that for instance slashing support would stop the majority of those people from having too many kids.
I don't know any short-term solution.
Maybe we make the mistake to think evolution has some good or any goal for that matter. Maybe living and reproducing at the expense of society is already an achievement in terms of evolution.
No. Classic Biology 101 petri dish experiment: When a population outgrows its means of support, the population dies off.
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Maybe evolution works in favor of the mediocre, not the elite.
I sincerely doubt that. If such were true, the higher life forms that exist today never would have evolved.
No. Classic Biology 101 petri dish experiment: When a population outgrows its means of support, the population dies off.
I sincerely doubt that. If such were true, the higher life forms that exist today never would have evolved.
Africa doesn't really support that theory Plus, being humans, conscience comes into the equation. We humans don't just let people around us perish, even if we think it is their own fault. The only exception are psychopaths, who basically have no conscience.
Well, but the primitive ones also persist. Nature doesn't invest energy in upgrading if it is not necessary, so to speak Just think of turtles or fish, they have been pretty much the same since the times of the dinosaurs.
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Just think of turtles or fish, they have been pretty much the same since the times of the dinosaurs.
