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....so then you are pushing for a return to a rural agrarian society?
For those who cannot support themselves any other way, yes. Why not?
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Maybe eventually you'll see how putting shareholders above workers turned America into a nation of credit card junkies with shrinking wages.
Just say you agree with cutting pensions. Union pension systems are major institutional investors. They're a very large percentage of shareholders. Cutting profits = cutting pensions. Are you on board with that?
For those who cannot support themselves any other way, yes. Why not?
So then the govt is going to transport, train, and buy land for these people to live on? Hmmm still sees like govt welfare. Or you just going to buy them a bus ticket and say "so long".
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Just say you agree with cutting pensions. Union pension systems are major institutional investors. They're a very large percentage of shareholders. Cutting profits = cutting pensions. Are you on board with that?
Cutting profits = more money for workers to spend or invest. Are you on board with that?
How did these institutional investors get their money to invest? How do unions member contribute to it?
What % of marijuana growers are on welfare. K THANKS.
I suspect a very large number -- how many welfare recipients are growing marijuana plants that could also grow tomato plants and other vegetables to make up for food stamp cuts.
Plus people manage to spend BILLIONS of dollars every month for illegal drugs like marijuana and methamphetamines. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about the costs of illegal drugs? We just have our priorities mess up.
[quote=malamute;32062005]I suspect a very large number -- how many welfare recipients are growing marijuana plants that could also grow tomato plants and other vegetables to make up for food stamp cuts.
Well you need to a little bit better than "suspecting".
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Plus people manage to spend BILLIONS of dollars every month for illegal drugs like marijuana and methamphetamines. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about the costs of illegal drugs? We just have our priorities mess up.
....yea kinda because making them illegal have jacked up the cost.
So then the govt is going to transport, train, and buy land for these people to live on?
No. They'll have to do that for themselves. No more government dependency. Unless you think so little of them that you believe they are incapable of doing so. Is that it? The bigotry of low expectations?
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How did these institutional investors get their money to invest? How do unions member contribute to it?
If you believe they contributed money towards their own pensions, pay them back exactly what they paid into the system. No more inflated pension payouts dependent upon corporate profits. Are you on board with that?
No. They'll have to do that for themselves. No more government dependency. Unless you think so little of them that you believe they are incapable of doing so. Is that it? The bigotry of low expectations?
Ok... so are you now banishing the poor and irresponsible to the countryside? How is the going to be enforced?
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If you believe they contributed money towards their own pensions, pay them back exactly what they paid into the system. No more inflated pension payouts dependent upon corporate profits. Are you on board with that?
Shifting more of the profit to workers to spend or invest. Are you on board with that?
Ok... so are you now banishing the poor and irresponsible to the countryside? How is the going to be enforced?
Banishing? Are people "banished" to other locations when they accept a job elsewhere? Are college students "banished" when they attend colleges out of state? No to all of the above. One merely goes where one's best opportunity lies.
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Shifting more of the profit to workers to spend or invest. Are you on board with that?
Big problem with that. Federal, state, and local governments don't earn profits. Did it completely escape your attention that the union pension system referred to in my post, CalPERS, which identifies itself as one of our country's largest institutional investors, is the CALIFORNIA PUBLIC EMPLOYEES retirement system?
Yes I do. Sadly people have lost all of their shame. All of it.
I was dropping my kid off at daycare the other day and overheard one of the mothers talking about her 4-sections at the tender age of 26. She drives a somewhat new Denali... And is on government's assistance for daycare for her kids. She is not even ashamed to talk about it either. Like it has become the norm to have children you can't afford and it is okay somehow?!!
My head just hurts thinking about it. I struggle to support my child and I as a single parent and I have vowed not to have another child until I graduate law school and have a decent income. I don't want other people to have to pay for my lack of judgement.
It never fails to amaze me that conservatives always overhear these conversations...but I don't believe I have *ever* heard such talk. Or ever seen a SNAP card used to buy steak and lobster.
Somehow I don't think growing a tomato plant in your backyard is the answer to hunger or poverty. But y'all go right on thinking it is.
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Are people "banished" to other locations when they accept a job elsewhere? Are college students "banished" when they attend colleges out of state? No to all of the above. One merely goes where one's best opportunity lies. 
