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Old 07-30-2013, 03:57 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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The city of Toronto has had a overwhelmingly, almost uncontrollable problem with drugs, addicts and traffickers for quite a while, news like this isn't that surprising.

Drug problems among homeless individuals in Toronto, Canada: prevalence, drugs of choice, and relation to health status

Drug use a public health issue | Toronto Star

Homelessness also is a problem there too.
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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This is a result of liberal progressive affirmative hiring practices in Toronto. Gone are the days of a conservative force of real cops who are tough - intelligent and street wise. We are flooded with tiny little cops in ill fitting uniforms who no young male respects. Cops in Toronto have become low quality due to social engineering through liberality. These tiny little cops have become totally weapon dependent. The fact that the idiots apply a taser after the kid is shot 9 times and lays prone twitching like a half slaughtered animal...is a disgrace and shows - robotic policing.

The town is in an uproar...The kid was no immediate threat-Even these second rate enforcers realized that- If there was a real threat - ALL the cops would have had their guns drawn..some were standing there with their arms crossed-- others were milling about casually..The primary shooter was after the volley of shots- can be seen being restrained by other cops- It is a mess- and we do not want super left wing policing in Toronto which is akin to mindless fascism.


In a by gone ear when large cops of Scottish heritage ruled the streets...all you would have heard was a stern fatherly voice stating "Throw that stupid knife away and get off that damned street car...hurry up - I don't have all day...or time for this crap - now get off"


Instead of that fatherly figure of calm and authority - You have some girly man yelling in panic "drop the knife" as if he is in some stupid cop movie..Our Chief of Police is conservative - attempting to control an inferior liberally engineered police force - He is totally embarrassed.
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Old 07-30-2013, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Since he acted weird and threatened with knife then the police did right thing. He had a knife that could also kill and do harm! He was warned by the police numerous times to drop the knife.... Well good job cops!
Well Jews for Jesus- could it be "good job cops" because the kid was from Syria? Perhaps a little bias on your part? It was some stupid kid who did not have a clue what was going on...acting "weird" is not an offense deserving of public execution nor is holding a stupid three inch pen knife. So what do you think was the purpose of applying a taser to a person who is bleeding out and in shock? I suppose you would say "good job cops" on that one also? No - this was a bad job- cops are supposed to preserve ALL life - the good the bad and the ugly...They did not do a good job- they failed.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Yup, dude shouldda dropped the knife.
Common theme in most of these cases;
you generally don't get shot if you comply.
Yes, because not complying with a police officer is punishable by death in the Western World.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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I'm all about empowering law enforcement to take dirtbags off the street, don't get me wrong. And it's not about letting the perp get away and attack others; Of course he needed to be neutralized.

But there are non-lethal ways to incapacitate a suspect. The force was excessive.
Hold on there- my American friend full of Dirty Harry rhetoric. We don't use the term "dirtbags" in Toronto..that is an American thing. The "perp" (another American term) did not attack others- he did not attack anyone- just some stupid drunken 18 year old boy so out of it that he did not comprehend the situation he was in. His mother reported he at the last minute picked up the pen knife to take down town....That was a mistake...if you are going out drinking- don't bring a prop. The actual street car video will not be released to the public for a while if ever...if it is release we will know the whole story...Still the kid is contained on a street car - standing there - no attempt was made to talk him out....This was horrible policing...just really low quality robotic policing....as for "neutralized" This type of Orwellian speak is destructive to society.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The city of Toronto has had a overwhelmingly, almost uncontrollable problem with drugs, addicts and traffickers for quite a while, news like this isn't that surprising.

Drug problems among homeless individuals in Toronto, Canada: prevalence, drugs of choice, and relation to health status

Drug use a public health issue | Toronto Star

Homelessness also is a problem there too.
Who are you kidding- Toronto is not overwhelmed with addicts ...sure there are some- It is a very clean and upright city for the most part. This kid was not some homeless addict- He had just graduated from highschool and lived with his parents...so what are you talking about?
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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The city of Toronto has had a overwhelmingly, almost uncontrollable problem with drugs, addicts and traffickers for quite a while, news like this isn't that surprising.

Drug problems among homeless individuals in Toronto, Canada: prevalence, drugs of choice, and relation to health status

Drug use a public health issue | Toronto Star

Homelessness also is a problem there too.
Compared to American cities our homeless issues are minor. A person who is homeless through mental illness..by choice or by circumstances are well taken care of. They have lodging if they WANT it...and if they have any functioning common sense - they can grab breakfast lunch and supper at a number of missions that exist in the core. You just WISH that Canada was as miserable socially as America....misery loves company I suppose but you are out of your league when it comes to comparing Canada with the USA- we are civilized...you are on the slippery slope of economic and social decay.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Yes, because not complying with a police officer is punishable by death in the Western World.
Our elite like to send out human drones to do their bidding and show who is boss...any supposed threat to the authority of police is a direct threat of our status quo...and they will kill yah - Our eite are a quiet shrewd bunch who you dare not challenge- if you do these old school conservatives will send out their liberal drones to do you in.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:40 AM
 
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It was excessive. The teen was in the bus alone. At that point he was of no threat to anyone. Patience is a virtue in this situation. As long as he was no threat to anyone, why fire your weapon for a fatal assault? I understand they don't want to go into the bus to confront him, but as long as he stayed inside, they could have made preparations for when he did come out. Tasers, bean bag gun, rubber bullets, and other non-lethal weapons could have been set up to be ready for when he did come out. They could have also had a shrink or counselor brought to try to reason with him. If he was on drugs, the waiting game would have been a benefit because once he came down from his high, he could have been willing to comply.
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Old 07-30-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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IMHO - anyone with a small amount of training probably could have walked up to the guy and taken the knife away by hand and cuffed the kid without using any weapon more deadly than a fist. I question the officer's training and leadership. Obviously, unless this cop just likes killing people, the policeman had no idea of proper procedure for handling drunks. Proper procedure does not involve shooting a defenseless person 9 times before tazering him. At most it involves using the tazer first.

I suggest the Montreal Police department improve its training program. Execution by cop is not acceptable in any civilized country.
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