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Old 07-31-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Define "corporate welfare."
It's whatever I say and whatever you say cuz it ain't real my friend.

I'm getting overly philosophical here (probably obtuse or nihilistic to others) but I simply don't care how you slice it cuz its just a game.

I read your posts. You're a smart dude. I'm sure you'd win an argument with me over the numbers.

It just doesn't matter to me. I know it's not real from my experience.

Just my view. No hard feelings.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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So I guess I can just quit paying my $600 a month insurance premiums, with my $5000 deductible (individual deductible - $10,000 for our household) and get me some free medical care too?

I mean, I'm human. I deserve it, right? Last time I tried telling that to the billing department at the hospital, they had a good laugh about it.
There's a saying about VA medical care. It sort of goes like this, the VA is the only place a veteran would need to fight for their life TWICE.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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There's a saying about VA medical care. It sort of goes like this, the VA is the only place a veteran would need to fight for their life TWICE.
Well, I'm sorry to hear that - all I've been hearing about VA medical benefits since Obama took office is how GREAT the programs are. Funny - when Republicans are in office, Democrats always talk about how terrible the VA programs are.

I think they stay about the same - and the spin just differs.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I don't hate anyone (though I do hold most politicians in low esteem). However, I have no respect for those who intentionally defraud or abuse any system and won't overlook individual actions just because "everybody's doing it."

I think our system itself is full of ridiculous policy and therefore holes, and is easy to defraud and manipulate in many areas, so I hold our politicians and those who administer such shoddy programs responsible as well.

If you knew the size of the check we sent off to the IRS April 15, you'd really grasp the whole concept of "wealth redistribution."
You seem reasonable enough and you get the point.

All I'm saying is how in the hell do we "keep score" in a rigged game?

Some folks in here would blast you for using public assistance at all.

A long time ago I just got tired of trying to figure out the score. You know it. You said it yourself (thru your stories). We play a game where one day up is down and the next down is up. You have to be poor to qualify for aid. Then when you better yourself you don't qualify and now get your ass handed to you in taxes. It's almost better to be poor! Am I right?

How in the world am I or anyone else going to try and judge or make decisions for others when this system is bizarro world?
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:02 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's whatever I say and whatever you say cuz it ain't real my friend.

I'm getting overly philosophical here (probably obtuse or nihilistic to others) but I simply don't care how you slice it cuz its just a game.

I read your posts. You're a smart dude. I'm sure you'd win an argument with me over the numbers.

It just doesn't matter to me. I know it's not real from my experience.

Just my view. No hard feelings.
So... you admit that there is no such thing as "corporate welfare."
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So... you admit that there is no such thing as "corporate welfare."
Sure. You win.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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You seem reasonable enough and you get the point.

All I'm saying is how in the hell do we "keep score" in a rigged game?

Some folks in here would blast you for using public assistance at all.

A long time ago I just got tired of trying to figure out the score. You know it. You said it yourself (thru your stories). We play a game where one day up is down and the next down is up. You have to be poor to qualify for aid. Then when you better yourself you don't qualify and now get your ass handed to you in taxes. It's almost better to be poor! Am I right?

How in the world am I or anyone else going to try and judge or make decisions for others when this system is bizarro world?
LOL well...as the old saying goes:

"I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better."

As others have pointed out - some peoples' standards are set pretty low. Let's just use my own brother as an example. He's truly lazy and hates conforming to authority. He doesn't care much about vacations or new cars or clothes or anything like that. What he WANTS to do, all day every day, is tinker on old cars, lay around watching war movies, post on FB, and get his antidepressants for free. Oh, and he doesn't want to actually pay for his housing or utilities either - but that seems reasonable to him because he doesn't ask for much, just a little place and a big screen TV and internet access.

Looks like he's well on his way to fulfilling these lifetime goals, by the way. He finally figured out that he can make a lifetime of bad decisions, drive everyone around him absolutely crazy, get a divorce, lose his job, alienate his parents and siblings, and BINGO - PSYCHOTIC EPISODE! Now it looks like he'll be getting disability. However, he's still mad at my parents for not letting him live rent free in their guest house.

So - as you see - low expectations (or some form of that) cross all gender, ethnic, racial, and income brackets. Some people can just tread water and work a system better than others.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Your point again is moot.

I know of at least two couples with children whose grandparents of their children purchased video games and large screen televisions for them.

You're saying poor people who receive public assistance should own and have nothing in their apartments or homes.

I also know that at Christmas time, the grandparents also gave the families nice things to eat too.

The steak and lobster theory or belief some of the people using this forum have doesn't hold water. You got nothing.
World of Class Warfare - The Poor's Free Ride Is Over - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 08/18/11 - Video Clip | Comedy Central
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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LOL well...as the old saying goes:

"I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better."

As others have pointed out - some peoples' standards are set pretty low. Let's just use my own brother as an example. He's truly lazy and hates conforming to authority. He doesn't care much about vacations or new cars or clothes or anything like that. What he WANTS to do, all day every day, is tinker on old cars, lay around watching war movies, post on FB, and get his antidepressants for free. Oh, and he doesn't want to actually pay for his housing or utilities either - but that seems reasonable to him because he doesn't ask for much, just a little place and a big screen TV and internet access.

Looks like he's well on his way to fulfilling these lifetime goals, by the way. He finally figured out that he can make a lifetime of bad decisions, drive everyone around him absolutely crazy, get a divorce, lose his job, alienate his parents and siblings, and BINGO - PSYCHOTIC EPISODE! Now it looks like he'll be getting disability. However, he's still mad at my parents for not letting him live rent free in their guest house.

So - as you see - low expectations (or some form of that) cross all gender, ethnic, racial, and income brackets. Some people can just tread water and work a system better than others.
Well, we are all working the system in some way. I'm not going to apologize for growing up in poverty and picking and choosing a certain way to change my plight. Some folks here would praise me, others would blast me.

Aside from mental health issues your brother is just going to be that way. Yes, I'm sure it's a pain in your a$$ just like technically it's a pain in society's collective a$$ (thru whatever assistance).

I just don't think folks should let the game totally consume their life.

Of course it goes across all colors, creeds, whatever else. We're all stuck in it.

I went to school (inner city hardcore ghetto) with a kid who was a math genius. He was black and got a ton of offers from some of the best schools in the country. A few of the other kids (off all races mind you) were ticked off saying he was getting the love cuz of his skin color.

Meanwhile, we all sat in Geometry with this dude....black, white, Hispanic, whatever. He was smokin' all of us right before our eyes. Kid had his sassignment done and everyone was still on problem #2.

I just thought all the hating was absurd. We were there! We saw it!

I don't know. I'm rambling.

I know this thread will go on with more charts and graphs and folks smarter than me working the numbers.
All I know is do the best you can. Make your own choices and don't worry about what others do to the point you are a so engrossed in this class war you can't live life.

Your brother reminds me of my one sister. Drugs, prison, blown money, rinse & repeat. It's tough on certain members of the family but that's their choice to enable. I deal with it my way. I won't let her life interfere with my happiness or my choices.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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HAHAHA!!!! I love Stewart, he gets it right everytime. "Those food chilling mother f*ckers!" Classic.
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