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Old 07-30-2013, 10:15 PM
 
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:08 PM
 
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Really. So spending should be an individual choice...except for employers, is that it?

Of course spending should be an individual chooise for employers, that's why I said don't raise the minimum wage, reduce the regulation which makes housing so expensive.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:37 PM
 
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Create local zones where the housing standards are set at levels that minimum wage workers can afford to live in. This might mean higher density or relaxed code standards.
Not much of a student of history, are you?

Lyndon B. Johnson had a similar idea. He called it the "Great Society."

Didn't work out so great. Here are the results:





The solution?

People suck it up and work their way up the ladder.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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Not much of a student of history, are you?

Lyndon B. Johnson had a similar idea. He called it the "Great Society."

Didn't work out so great. Here are the results:





The solution?

People suck it up and work their way up the ladder.

What I had in mind was more like dormitories, SROs, studio apts, safe and affordable for burger flippers.

Of course, HUD would have a hissy for it it didn't have a lot of 3BR apartments for Section 8 recipients, but last I looked, communities still had the power to zone for smaller housing units.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:35 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Minimum wage has not kept up with the COL anywhere. It's rediuclous to think people WOULDN'T want it raised. It's one thing to have a salary that doesn't let you get ahead, it's quite another to have one that actually keeps pushing you behind. I can't imagine how hard it is to "get a better job" when the only thing you have is a minimum wage job...how do you learn the skills to GET a better job? I'm not saying every job should pay enough for someone to raise a family or live independently, there is a real need for part time jobs for high school and college kids and those who don't actually NEED full time work, but since so many well educated people have lost those 'better jobs' because they disappeared there are more people fighting for jobs with lower wages. It's a problem you can't brush off with a zinger people.

Well it looks all well and good from high up, but the devils in the details, and time.

First things first, corporations are going to use their teams of lawyers, their best accountants, and everyone else at their disposal to try and put the least impact on corporate profits. That will mean raising the prices to consumers, or its going to be cutting headcount, or only hiring part time employees, etc.

So now I'm paying higher prices to find your pay increase. Your new money will create higher demand for products I already by, which will raise the price even further.

No one in this country is a slave. You don't have to work for McDonalds or Walmart. If they aren't paying you enough, strike, or find another job. You will get more money and a job you like, they will get a happy employee, both sides

freedom comes with responsibility. If you want more money, get it. Don't expect the federal government mandate you get it.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:43 AM
 
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People earning minimum wage are complaining that they can't live on that wage, and they want government to intervene and raise the minimum wage.

As conservatives are quick to point out, that is a bad idea and reduces liberty.

But there iis a way to resolve this issue while increasing liberty.

Create local zones where the housing standards are set at levels that minimum wage workers can afford to live in. This might mean higher density or relaxed code standards.

Many conservatives object to raising the minimum wage (and some to any minimum wage at all) but they never seem to offer a solution with which these workers could actually afford.
1. Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage.

2. The solution is to get an education or skill that brings about a higher, livable salary.

3. The free market decides cost of housing. Anything other than this scenario means you are living in a communist regime.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:46 AM
 
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Only in a limited area(s). Unless conservatives can offer a better idea.
There's already a limited area where this is the case. It's called Detroit. Feel free to pack your bags.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:52 AM
 
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And your solution is to decrease liberty. Your solution also redistributes income upward from renters to owners (Sowell) which I find a surprising position for conservatives to take.
Actually, I believe it is YOU that is wanting to decrease liberty. You want the govt to set prices on housing that landlords must abide by.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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The only thing working for the minimum wage proves for a prospective new employer is this person will show up and do what they are told. That is 80% of what any employee is expected to do.

The base problem is since about 1980 increases in investment and productivity have not led to increased good paying jobs but only to increases in low paying jobs. This has created a situation where vast numbers of people are scrounging for low paying jobs while the few are living very well. This is a function of the structure of our economy and not the skill or willingness to take a MIN wage job.
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Old 07-31-2013, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The only thing working for the minimum wage proves for a prospective new employer is this person will show up and do what they are told. That is 80% of what any employee is expected to do.

The base problem is since about 1980 increases in investment and productivity have not led to increased good paying jobs but only to increases in low paying jobs. This has created a situation where vast numbers of people are scrounging for low paying jobs while the few are living very well. This is a function of the structure of our economy and not the skill or willingness to take a MIN wage job.
Because we have become service based and service based jobs don't pay very much.
They never have.

Since 2008 the bulk of new jobs have been in leisure, retail and healthcare.

Walmart is your top employer these days, not GM, not Microsoft, not IBM, not GE.
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