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Old 07-31-2013, 05:15 PM
 
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Infrastructure are the veins and arteries of the economy. We need them. Many bridges, overpasses, roads, rails, canals, etc need some work. We need these functioning to keep the economy moving properly - it is worth investing in.

Eisenhower, a great president IMO, did 2 major things for the infrastructure of this country:

#1 the interstate highway system, which is undeniably beneficial to the country still to this day.
#2 improved the St. Lawrence Seaway in a joint venture with Canada that enabled larger boats from the Atlantic Ocean to reach the cities of Chicago, Milwaukee, Gary, Detroit, Cleveland, Toledo, Buffalo, etc...

Did these 2 things not immensely help business and country?


I do hear some people complain about Obama not pushing this when he had control of both houses - yes he should have. Or that the stimulus should have been less wasteful and more focused on the infrastructure - yes it should have. Or the faults of his high speed rail initiative that would have pushed large expenses on states that were trying to balance their budgets...that is all in the past now.

What we have is this moment forward. Can't we find a way to make some common sense repairs to infrastructure if not a massive Eisenhower project, at least one that would repair many of the parts of infrastructure with poor grades? We might be able to get cuts in waste or pork for this spending that we actually will need to do sooner or later.

Can ‘D+’ in infrastructure lead to ‘A’ in economics? | The Great Debate


Some people point out that America actually spends more as a % of GDP on infrastructure than the EU, which Obama holds up as an example:
The Crumbling-Infrastructure Myth - Richmond Times-Dispatch

However, this ignores that the US has more areas of freeze-thaw-freeze-thaw like Michigan, which is devastating to roads and forces more repairs AND more areas of rapid growth into areas where there had been nothing -- like Las Vegas.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:18 PM
 
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I suppose all the leftists have forgotten that the original $800B stimulus was to be for 'shovel ready' projects. Instead, all the leftists and blacks stole the money.

So if we need infrastructure spending, get it from the thieves.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:23 PM
 
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Where does the money go that is already collected for such repairs and upkeep?
Answer: new projects, unrelated projects, subsidization of other transportation systems, theft, corruption.

Good luck with asking for more.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I suppose all the leftists have forgotten that the original $800B stimulus was to be for 'shovel ready' projects. Instead, all the leftists and blacks stole the money.

So if we need infrastructure spending, get it from the thieves.
That is a false statement, shovel ready meant projects that were about to happen anyway, it was nothing more than a bandaid bill. It would of made more sense for Congress to put together the largest transportation bill in 2009 to repair every road and bridge and rail system in the country. This would of been a massive investment into our economy and would of sent the message that the US is investing in its future. This would of curbed unemployment, would of fought off the housing burst and the sea of foreclosures, and would of positioned the country for a much faster recovery....unfortunately that never happened and we have sluggishly been rebounding ever since.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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That is a false statement, shovel ready meant projects that were about to happen anyway, it was nothing more than a bandaid bill. It would of made more sense for Congress to put together the largest transportation bill in 2009 to repair every road and bridge and rail system in the country. This would of been a massive investment into our economy and would of sent the message that the US is investing in its future. This would of curbed unemployment, would of fought off the housing burst and the sea of foreclosures, and would of positioned the country for a much faster recovery....unfortunately that never happened and we have sluggishly been rebounding ever since.

Baloney. Most people are unsuited for manual labor. The roads and bridges should be a STATE issue.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:39 PM
 
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That is a false statement, shovel ready meant projects that were about to happen anyway, it was nothing more than a bandaid bill. It would of made more sense for Congress to put together the largest transportation bill in 2009 to repair every road and bridge and rail system in the country. This would of been a massive investment into our economy and would of sent the message that the US is investing in its future. This would of curbed unemployment, would of fought off the housing burst and the sea of foreclosures, and would of positioned the country for a much faster recovery....unfortunately that never happened and we have sluggishly been rebounding ever since.
Then why those shove-ready jobs turned out to be not as shovel ready as it had been expected, according to the President?
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Texas State Fair
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Then why those shove-ready jobs turned out to be not as shovel ready as it had been expected, according to the President?
Turns out there was only one shovel, and we know what he's been shoveling.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Then why those shove-ready jobs turned out to be not as shovel ready as it had been expected, according to the President?

Barack does not know which end of the shovel is the working end. He is not an authority on jobs or work.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:44 PM
 
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Interstates are Federal. Aside from Amtrak, rail is not.

All this unicorn talk about magic ponies and glitter powered stage coaches... where do folks expect the country to come up with the money to pay for all these utopian infrastructure projects?

The U.S. is already $16T in the hole. Any talk by Obama about "investing in infrastructure" is a fairy tale. And leftists who buy into it are naive.
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:47 PM
 
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I suppose all the leftists have forgotten that the original $800B stimulus was to be for 'shovel ready' projects. Instead, all the leftists and blacks stole the money.

So if we need infrastructure spending, get it from the thieves.
Well said!

I'm sick of Obama stealing and always demanding more money. If OP wants more money how about some of those 47%ers work and CONTRIBUTE.
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