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Old 08-01-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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I can see why you'd draw the line on a brand new Canadian pipeline when you seem not to notice or even care about this:

map of older us pipelines - Google Search
It's simple.

The Canadians have their own ports, and I'm not interested in their oil crossing over our territory.

To boot, they attempted to strongarm the project through using eminent domain. I find that to be especially offensive seeing as how they aren't an American company. And I don't want them to get what they want as a punishment for the attempt.

Besides, we don't need it.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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It's simple.

The Canadians have their own ports, and I'm not interested in their oil crossing over our territory.

To boot, they attempted to strongarm the project through using eminent domain. I find that to be especially offensive seeing as how they aren't an American company. And I don't want them to get what they want as a punishment for the attempt.

Besides, we don't need it.
You are deliberately being disingenuous.

American companies wanted the pipeline...

They want the added business. The oil wasn't being shipped here merely to export by boat -- that is a MSNBC lie, because they are losing the debate on facts. The oil was going to Texas to be refined by American companies.

American Unions wanted this. American Companies wanted this. Obama's own State Department Report said this would create thousands of other jobs indirectly (like with oil refineries and those that build pumping stations along the pipeline).
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:01 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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It's simple.

The Canadians have their own ports, and I'm not interested in their oil crossing over our territory.

To boot, they attempted to strongarm the project through using eminent domain. I find that to be especially offensive seeing as how they aren't an American company. And I don't want them to get what they want as a punishment for the attempt.

Besides, we don't need it.
Lol, ok...

I guess we don't "need" 42,000 more high paying jobs here in America. We should just raise the minimum wage to $15 instead of actually creating over 40k jobs that pay probably at least $30 an hour each.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: WA
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The EROI for tar sands is 3. We might as well keep putting stupid corn in our gas tanks.
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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More broken campaign promises....

Obama said that the USA must change our sources of oil to friendly nations like Canada and that he would actively pursue it.

Of course 50 jobs is nothing but a lie. Common sense alone makes that a laugher.

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Old 08-01-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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Lol, ok...

I guess we don't "need" 42,000 more high paying jobs here in America. We should just raise the minimum wage to $15 instead of actually creating over 40k jobs that pay probably at least $30 an hour each.
Pfffffft...what proof do you have of 42k jobs? Their say so?

And again...if this is so lucrative, why wouldn't the Canadians be doing everything in their power to keep the pipeline in their own country and keep those jobs?
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Old 08-01-2013, 05:39 PM
 
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Pfffffft...what proof do you have of 42k jobs? Their say so?
Even a pessimistic article by CBS makes Obama's 50 job claim a joke!

This article only talks of construction jobs and permanent pipeline jobs, but doesn't talk about the permanent spinoff jobs.

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.r...nb_splitPage=0

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And again...if this is so lucrative, why wouldn't the Canadians be doing everything in their power to keep the pipeline in their own country and keep those jobs?
Huh? They want to pipe the oil to refineries in the USA!



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Old 08-01-2013, 05:45 PM
 
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Pfffffft...what proof do you have of 42k jobs? Their say so?

And again...if this is so lucrative, why wouldn't the Canadians be doing everything in their power to keep the pipeline in their own country and keep those jobs?
I believe them more than I believe obama's "50" jobs numbers.


The US refines almost 3 times as much oil than the second largest nation. Canada wanted to tap into US refineries (which creates the jobs) to turn the oil into fuel to be exported.
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Old 08-01-2013, 07:11 PM
 
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Pfffffft...what proof do you have of 42k jobs? Their say so?
Why don't you read the article? Don't be afraid to read an article that isn't full of tingles running up the author's legs for the great one.

The 42K number is from Obama's State Department for temporary jobs, with thousands of permanent jobs and spin off jobs.

If Obama believes in his constantly descending number that is now down to 50 jobs....50 jobs created by the pipeline...then he is unintelligent when it comes to business and his new faulty logic flies in the face of all of his previous stimulus arguments.

Either Obama is unintelligent or a liar. Take your pick, either way, the man is coming off as an inept leader.
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Old 08-01-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Are you being deliberately misleading or just ignorantly obtuse on purpose?

Your first link is crap because it refers to a 65 year old Exxon Mobile line leaking. NOT the Keystone.

Your last link is crap as those pipelines were also American pipelines with no affiliation to Keystone XL whatsoever and they may very well be over 40 year old pipelines your country has not been maintaining. The third spill mentioned was a freight train in Northern Ontario and what does rail transport within Canada have to do with pipelines in general and the Keystone in particular?

It makes sense to you that you would continue (and it will continue as long as you keep buying the stuff) the practice of shipping this type of crude either through older worn out lines or by rail car above ground rather than through a new pipeline built to the latest standards? Really?

Point is, it's all the same **** or should I use your word of choice...Crap!

Keystone XL Pipe: Southern Half Of Pipeline Riddled With Leak-Prone Faults
Keystone XL Pipe: Southern Half Of Pipeline Riddled With Leak-Prone Faults

Many critics of the Keystone XL pipeline say that corrosion risks are greater in pipelines carrying low-quality bitumen-laden crude from the oil sands. They have urged President Obama to reject the Keystone XL permit application.

“This latest pipeline incident is a troubling reminder that oil companies still have not proven that they can safely transport Canadian tar sands oil across the United States without creating risks to our citizens and our environment,” said Rep. Edward J. Markey (Mass.), the ranking Democrat on the House Natural Resources Committee.

Exxon Mobil pipeline leaks ?a few thousand? barrels of crude oil in Arkansas - Washington Post
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