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Old 08-15-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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Always? Every single time? He had no oversight whatsoever from the U.S.? He was completely always self-directed? I call BS on that.
And you are wrong. That there may exist some particular specific exception is not material. And an Ambassador cannot be compelled even then.

Face it. Stevens was there by choice and did not expect trouble. If he had he could have easily arranged a half dozen heavies or bedded down in the annex which was obviously fortified. Or he could have returned to Tripoli or gone elsewhere.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And you are wrong. That there may exist some particular specific exception is not material. And an Ambassador cannot be compelled even then.
Based on what?

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Face it. Stevens was there by choice and did not expect trouble.
Wow. No.

"Vivid new details of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, were released Tuesday night by a federal committee trying to come to grips with the violence that led to the first murder of a U.S. ambassador since 1988 and the deaths of three other Americans.

The report spoke of grossly inadequate security, an issue that Stevens had complained about well before September 11."
Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes - CNN.com

And Stevens was there, doing his job, anyway.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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Based on what?

Wow. No.

"Vivid new details of the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, were released Tuesday night by a federal committee trying to come to grips with the violence that led to the first murder of a U.S. ambassador since 1988 and the deaths of three other Americans.

The report spoke of grossly inadequate security, an issue that Stevens had complained about well before September 11."
Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes - CNN.com

And Stevens was there, doing his job, anyway.
Irrelevant. He was there of his own choice. One rumor at the time suggested he was avoiding the nonsense expected at the embassy in Tripoli. So he did not believe he was in immediate danger. Who would know better than he. He made a bad call and got himself killed. Even at that he was unlucky. The single security guy with him survived...as likely would have the Ambassador if he had gotten out of the window.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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Irrelevant. He was there of his own choice.
Like millions of people show up for work every day of their own choice? Don't be ridiculous.
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Who would know better than he.
Exactly. He expressed his concerns about grossly inadequate security. So did others.

What do you have to gain by deliberately trying to falsely reframe events? Rumor? No. We have the facts in Stevens' and others' own words:

"U.S. diplomats who worked in Libya, a country struggling to form a government after overthrowing longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi, had repeatedly asked for more security."
Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes - CNN.com

You're just as bad as "it was the YouTube video" Obama/Clinton/Rice.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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Like millions of people show up for work every day of their own choice? Don't be ridiculous.
Exactly. He expressed his concerns about grossly inadequate security. So did others.

What do you have to gain by deliberately trying to falsely reframe events? Rumor? No. We have the facts in Stevens' and others' own words:

"U.S. diplomats who worked in Libya, a country struggling to form a government after overthrowing longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi, had repeatedly asked for more security."
Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes - CNN.com

You're just as bad as "it was the YouTube video" Obama/Clinton/Rice.
He was based in Tripoli...not Benghazi. He was the the boss. The top dog. He went where he chose. Yes he said security was bad in Benghazi and Tripoli. But he went to Benghazi on his own dime. No one sent him.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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And you are wrong. That there may exist some particular specific exception is not material. And an Ambassador cannot be compelled even then.

Face it. Stevens was there by choice and did not expect trouble. If he had he could have easily arranged a half dozen heavies or bedded down in the annex which was obviously fortified. Or he could have returned to Tripoli or gone elsewhere.
If he did not expect trouble, why the hell was he screaming from the roof tops for increased security? How about, Stevens was a brave and dedicated person, doing his job for the president and the nation, all the while realizing his situation was precarious, but his sense of duty, loyalty and honor kept him going.
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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I would think he was there by his choice, we will never know. I don't believe he suddenly had to be in a dangerous area for administrative reasons.
On what exactly, do you base this groundless assertion?
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Old 08-15-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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He made an error that got him killed.
Yes - he accepted an appointment from an incompetent president - and did so honorably and served courageously, trusting that his boss wouldn't botch up his assignments.

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Old 08-15-2013, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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But he went to Benghazi on his own dime.
He paid his own way, and did not use dimes sent to the IRS by yourself(presumably) and Harrier?

Harrier has a bridge connecting the city of Ketchikan and its island based airport to sell you, if you truly believe that nonsense.
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