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Old 08-02-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I can argue that anyone can be charged with a felony by doing the above because poeple are charged with these crimes and that is why I do not support confiscating guns. Justifying it by saying I doubt the DA presses charges is a weak argument. If a law isn't inforced, it should not be on the books and felonies should be for egregious crimes, not for unlocking you cell phone.
You can argue anything you want. But being charged with something -- and you haven't even proved that anyone has been charged under your above examples -- is not the same as being convicted, period. And you base your opposition to gun safety laws on that fallacy.

So you're not really a sincere gun owner, just another nut who comes up with weasely little reasons to keep owning your toys, no matter how man innocent people are killed. Got it.

My mistake. I thought I was having a rational conversation with a gun lover for once.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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So you insist that being charged with something is the same as being convicted, and base your opposition to gun safety laws on that fallacy.

So you're not really a sincere gun owner, just another nut who comes up with weasely little reasons to keep owning your toys, no matter how man innocent people are killed. Got it.

My mistake. I thought I was having a rational conversation with a gun lover for once.
When you actually address the issue, not just brush it off as something that doesn't happen then we can have a conversation.

People are still being arrested for sodomy in some areas. I thought you would take this more seriously.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why isn't anyone addressing the true problem here, which is that the state of Illinois, by issuing the FOID cards, is abrogating the federally held right of its citizens to own a firearm? There should be no record at state level concerning the ownership of firearms to begin with, much less the possibility of that FOID being revoked and having your firearms confiscated by state authorities.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If you need permission (license) it’s not a right.
If you have the right, you don't need permission.
Double check the law as to its applicability and venue.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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This is supported by the 2nd amendment, which reads:
A lot of people have a tendency to believe everything they read, especially when it seems to validate their own beliefs. In this case, the facts do not support what the OP posted.

I do understand when facts don't support, the automatic default to the second amendment.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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When you actually address the issue, not just brush it off as something that doesn't happen then we can have a conversation.

People are still being arrested for sodomy in some areas. I thought you would take this more seriously.
And you're still insisting that being arrested is the same thing as being convicted.

Either you're hopelessly ignorant, or you're just another gun fanatic making stuff up so you can play with your toys while crazy people shoot up theaters and schools. Neither option makes me care about your "conversation" anymore.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Don't forget these orders are given out without a hearing. So someone can make something up to get a TRO and you loose your civil rights without even having a day in court.
A TRO in Illinois is 10 days.

Revocation of the FOID can be appealed within 30 days.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why, there it is! "A well-regulated militia" right there in my copy. Conveniently ignored by every gun nut in the nation.
Nuff said.
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Old 08-02-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Why, there it is! "A well-regulated militia" right there in my copy. Conveniently ignored by every gun nut in the nation.
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Nuff said.
"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

I'd say the FOID is an infringement.
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I want to know more about those six Texas dildos and how they apply to the 2nd amendment or this thread. Is it a felony in Texas to have more than 6 dildos? Or is 6 too much? Does size matter? I know that some states have size limitations on magazines, perhaps in Texas anything over 10 inches could be illegal. Especially if you have 6 of them. Somehow linking felonious dildos to a gun ownership thread seems odd, but then after a bit of thought, maybe not so odd. Especially when you're talking Texas.
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