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How much more should they make? The next question is, how much more will they have to raise their rates for the public transportation and hurt those making less money? Then you will want the people hurt by this raise in fares, to make more money to pay for the fares, which will raise the prices and costs where THEY work, which will hurt someone else.
I am back to, fire them all and hire all new replacements.
Again, I am not the one who determines how much they should make. Like I said for me it would depend on the value that their jobs brings to the employer, and the value it brings to the communities they serve.
In terms of a raise raising rates that would be the choice of their employer whether to pass along a wage increase to the fare paying public and how much that increase could be. Their employer could choose not to pass along that increase to customers, or the increase spread out over the commuters they serve might be negligible depending on the size of the wage increase.
Any raise of any worker potentially will raise prices to consumers.
This reality applies to every worker in every job.
It is an absurd standard to hold just for BART employees and not everyone everywhere who seeks a raise for their work.
Again, I am not the one who determines how much they should make. Like I said for me it would depend on the value that their jobs brings to the employer, and the value it brings to the communities they serve.
In terms of a raise raising rates that would be the choice of their employer whether to pass along a wage increase to the fare paying public and how much that increase could be. Their employer could choose not to pass along that increase to customers, or the increase spread out over the commuters they serve might be negligible depending on the size of the wage increase.
Any raise of any worker potentially will raise prices to consumers.
This reality applies to every worker in every job.
It is an absurd standard to hold just for BART employees and not everyone everywhere who seeks a raise for their work.
But their employer is the city so the residents are on the hook for the salary raise no matter where you put the increase.
You say you read the article which mentioned BENEFITS NOT SALARIES, then you make a blanket statement about wages.
Try to stay on topic and quit trying to move the goalposts.
You are flat out wrong.
Here is the section of the article
The transit agency has said union train operators and station agents average about $71,000 in base salary
Clearly, the article meant base salary, and that is flat out incorrect information. The train operators and station agents don't average $71,000 a year in base salary.
The transit agency has said union train operators and station agents average about $71,000 in base salary
Clearly, the article meant base salary, and that is flat out incorrect information. The train operators and station agents don't average $71,000 a year in base salary.
Please learn to read for comprehension.
What then..$30K to get sympathy ?
base + benefits + overtime is total compensation.
That's the global position. You are grossly overpaid. Your culture is unsustainable.
Global position for local train operators? LOLOLOL. These jobs aren't suffering from global competition and could never suffer from global competition. They can't ship out those local jobs to global competitors, so your understanding is just wrong.
I am not a BART train operator or station agent, so the "you are grossly overpaid" makes no sense.
I doubt if you have any idea about American culture.
But their employer is the city so the residents are on the hook for the salary raise no matter where you put the increase.
Again, this thinking applies to all workers in every job everywhere. A raise could increase the costs to customers. Is that justification for no one every to get raises?
Whatever job or career you have, when you or anyone you know gets a raise, that raise could lead to higher prices.
Or the employers could choose to take less in profit and share those profits with their employees instead of hurting consumers.
So I just don't understand where people are going with this line of thinking.
Again, this thinking applies to all workers in every job everywhere. A raise could increase the costs to customers. Is that justification for no one every to get raises?
Whatever job or career you have, when you or anyone you know gets a raise, that raise could lead to higher prices.
Or the employers could choose to take less in profit and share those profits with their employees instead of hurting consumers.
So I just don't understand where people are going with this line of thinking.
Not if it is the result of higher revenues and growth.
You seem to think it's a zero based issue.
Company prospers and their employees get raises/bonuses.
It's not always the case that product prices rise to cover the raise.
No so with government since they just redistribute tax money so they have to raise something to cover the additional spending.
What then..$30K to get sympathy ?
base + benefits + overtime is total compensation.
Huh?
There is a website that lists the actual incomes of train operators and station agents from 2012, and they don't make any where near $71,000 on average in base salary.
This $71,000 average base salary is a flat out lie and a distortion.
These workers have not had a raise in 5 years.
Their total compensation is made up of much more than the 3 items you listed.
Pension, 401k, lump sum payments, medical/dental also factor into total compensation.
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