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Old 08-06-2013, 11:59 PM
 
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Am I reading you right in that it's O.K. for the government to get involved when you support it but not when you don't?
Actually I didn't support the bail outs. There needs to be consequences for failure.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:52 AM
 
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Actually I didn't support the bail outs. There needs to be consequences for failure.
Fair enough but we have to understand.........just because the government screws something up doesn't mean what they screwed up is bad. It just means the government was incompetent.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:59 AM
 
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I don't know if screwed it up is the correct phrase, short term the bail outs worked. They made money on the banks. As far as auto bail outs go I know they recovered most of the money and may recover all of it, stockholders are the ones that got screwed.

That's besides the point because the bail outs set a dangerous precedent especially with the banks, we're setting ourselves up for another disaster in the future. Had those banks and the auto companies failed other banks and large companies like GM are going to think twice about risky business practices in the future.
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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I don't know if screwed it up is the correct phrase, short term the bail outs worked. They made money on the banks.
They didn't but that's another topic.

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As far as auto bail outs go I know they recovered most of the money and may recover all of it, stockholders are the ones that got screwed.
We lost billions.

Taxpayers lose $1.3 billion as govt. exits Chrysler - Jul. 21, 2011

Taxpayers' loss on GM bailout looks to be about $10 billion - Los Angeles Times

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That's besides the point because the bail outs set a dangerous precedent especially with the banks, we're setting ourselves up for another disaster in the future. Had those banks and the auto companies failed other banks and large companies like GM are going to think twice about risky business practices in the future.
Agree there.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Ignoring proven science? Look who's shovelling.
The thing about "proven" science --- it keeps evolving, kinda like, well, most people do.

Wind Turbines Store Energy For Less Breezy Days
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:09 AM
 
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They didn't but that's another topic.
According to CNN they did, this is from Dec.

TARP close to breaking even - Dec. 19, 2012


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Old 08-08-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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The thing about "proven" science --- it keeps evolving, kinda like, well, most people do.

Wind Turbines Store Energy For Less Breezy Days
The only storage they reference in that article is battery storage. Highly impractical and very expensive for large scale use.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:16 AM
 
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According to CNN they did, this is from Dec.
Much of the bad debt was taken off the banks books and placed with Freddie and Fannie. We are losing billions there.

They also "Paid" back their debt with other money the government gave them. That is in part what the QE programs were for.

Banks Repaid Fed Bailout With Other Fed Money: Government Report

Though lots of people grumble about the government bailing out banks in the financial crisis, we have at least taken some comfort in the idea that the government has turned a profit on that bailout.

Only problem is, that profit comes from taxpayer money -- money that was meant to spur banks to develop communities and help small businesses. Instead they've used it to develop and help themselves.


And for the record, it was meant for what it did, reinflate Wall Street and bank profits.
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