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View Poll Results: Is "In God We Trust" as official motto and on currency constitutional or unconstitutional?
It is constitutional, keep it 61 59.80%
It is unconstitutional, remove it 41 40.20%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2013, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
It arguably violates the establishment clause, which over time has been understood as being the separation of church and state in the United States.

Thomas Jefferson even spoke at length of a "wall of separation."

Actually, from what I have read about it, Jefferson mentioned the "Wall of separation of church and state" ONCE in a letter to a church(Danbury Baptist, in 1802) that had written him about the possibility of a State Religion (they were against it).
If he ever spoke about it in a speech, I have never heard of it. Please give references to his speaking "at length" about it.

See:
Jefferson's Wall of Separation Letter - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
Or, do a google search for "Thomas Jefferson separation of church and state"
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:51 PM
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It does not say which god. God is in our hearts, in our souls and in our minds, so we believe in ourselfs and have faith in ourselves. You are your own GOD.
Now if it said in Jesus we trust,
or in Allah we trust.
or in Budda we trust.
or in Baptist we trust.
or in Catholic we trust
or the Church of America we trust.
or in the church of Obama we trust.


Remember it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
True, in doesn't say which god, but it clearly endorses religion over non-religion, and pretty obviously favors monotheistic religions over polytheistic ones.

An obvious violation, but many agree with that bit of unconstitutional religious nonsense being foisted on the public, and many others simply don't care enough to raise a stink about it, especially considering the clear bias of the supreme court.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:07 AM
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Location: Florida
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Where does the motto ESTABLISH a religion for the nation? Where?
As many in this thread has demonstrated already, if you're intent on not understanding then you're not going to understand. We could say that charcoal turns a paper black and you could deny it. What kind of convincing do you expect? If you're not going to accept the impact that marginalization has on those marginalized, then you've made the decision to engage in self-serving self-deception, and there's nothing anyone can do in an Internet forum to change that.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:34 AM
 
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It arguably violates the establishment clause, which over time has been understood as being the separation of church and state in the United States.

Thomas Jefferson even spoke at length of a "wall of separation."
What we have today is certainly not what they argued for.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:36 AM
 
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True, in doesn't say which god, but it clearly endorses religion over non-religion, and pretty obviously favors monotheistic religions over polytheistic ones.

An obvious violation, but many agree with that bit of unconstitutional religious nonsense being foisted on the public, and many others simply don't care enough to raise a stink about it, especially considering the clear bias of the supreme court.
Lets say you're right.

Is it really that big of a deal anyway?
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:38 AM
 
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As many in this thread has demonstrated already, if you're intent on not understanding then you're not going to understand. We could say that charcoal turns a paper black and you could deny it. What kind of convincing do you expect? If you're not going to accept the impact that marginalization has on those marginalized, then you've made the decision to engage in self-serving self-deception, and there's nothing anyone can do in an Internet forum to change that.
Really?

Asian Indians feel "marginalized" by "In God We Trust" on our money? Instead of "In Gods We Trust"?

Atheists really do need to get a life.
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:55 AM
bUU
 
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Because "Asian Indians" are "Atheists"? Uh huh.

(Now watch him try to defend that vacuous message with more self-serving, nonsensical rhetoric, instead of actually acknowledging that marginalizing people actually marginalizes them.)
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:59 AM
 
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Because "Asian Indians" are "Atheists"? Uh huh.

(Now watch him try to defend that vacuous message with more self-serving, nonsensical rhetoric, instead of actually acknowledging that marginalizing people actually marginalizes them.)
Man. Talk about obtuse!

I guess you missed the "In GODS We Trust" part, huh?
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:19 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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What we have today is certainly not what they argued for.
America as a nation was founded as a secular society, in which there is freedom to believe in any religion or no religion at all - based on the U.S. Constitution that is.

How is this different fundamentally from what we have today?
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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It does not say which god. God is in our hearts, in our souls and in our minds, so we believe in ourselfs and have faith in ourselves. You are your own GOD.
Now if it said in Jesus we trust,
or in Allah we trust.
or in Budda we trust.
or in Baptist we trust.
or in Catholic we trust
or the Church of America we trust.
or in the church of Obama we trust.


Remember it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.
Very well put, wonder why people of religion or no religion don't get this. Believe what they want "just don't tread on me!" God could equal "you" many people are starting to believe more in them selves, trust in yourself to do the right thing.

As shown below many people think they're being God, watch as many people sign a petition before even knowing what it's about, and what they think of old people sick, sick what we're becoming as a nation.
Obamacare Supporters Sign Petition For
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