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Smoking pot makes you a failed parent? You can't honestly believe that? Are you saying every person in the US who smokes pot & has children should have them taken away? What a great use of taxpayer money! I especially loved the part where they cited the father as once almost dropping the child as he walked down the stairs & was trying to hand the girl to someone else? You must be kidding me? If you almost drop your child once you're a negligent parent? This stinks of Government overstepping their boundaries.
Once you have kids your life is now their life...PERIOD.
We all don't agree with certain laws. We choose the ones to follow or break based on the consequences vs rewards.
The parents failed. CPS failed. The foster parents failed. Parents must realize that if they screw up their kids are going to suffer.
Well, one could say the parents failed, IF the assumption is made that CPS removed the child from harms way. But as it turned out, that is a problematic assumption to support, since the child was murdered by the foster parents for whom CPS and it's "contractor" allowed to take custody of the child.
So, it looks to me, at least in hind sight, that the reason for removing the child ... "parent almost dropped him" and "parents smoked pot" and "parent had a medical condition" all pale in comparison to "foster parent is a child murderer", don't you think?
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Parenting is taken WAY too lightly in society.
This is no doubt a true statement, but I would contend that in today's world, children are also being taken away from their parents way too often and for very flimsy reasons. And given the deplorable record CPS has in being able to protect these children that they take away ... we ought to be making it WAY HARDER for them to do it.
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I'm in my mid 30s. I have a decent job. Don't drink, don't smoke, don't do drugs. I'm doing ok financially (relative...I know). I love playing with my nephews and nieces when I get a chance to see them.
Guess what though? I'm not mature enough to have kids. I'm not responsible enough to have kids. I'm WAY too selfish to have kids. I'm too lazy to have kids. I have far too little patience to have kids.
This doesn't make me a bad person. I'm just being honest with who I am.
You may be all of those things ... who am I to argue with you on that. Nevertheless, there is an old saying that says "necessity is the mother of invention" ... and likewise, responsibility is a choice that need not be made unless one finds a reason to make such a choice. No doubt, there is an element who really shouldn't have children for all of those things you mentioned, and you are to be commended for having the awareness of self to make such a responsible choice in not taking on that which you feel is beyond your ability. Though, I say that to make such a conscious choice suggests that you may possess more responsibility than you give yourself credit.
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I can't smoke weed cuz of my job (being in criminal justice kinda cramps that). I doubt I would if I could. I think people should be free to do any drugs they want (although that would put me out of work). But it's the law.
The list of dirty deeds committed with the excuse ... "but it's the law" is a lengthy list indeed. I'm not sure how one does a job that they are ideologically opposed to it's basic premise. That sounds unmanageable and irreconcilable.
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The parents showed incredible selfishness by even smoking weed (regardless of its impact on the legal proceedings involving their child).
If I decide to blaze up the only person I'm hurting is me after I fail my drug test and get canned.
Perhaps it's just a case of the parents failing to recognize the tenacity of the CPS, and their willingness to take children from parents for unjustifiable reasons? Sounds like you really want to blame the victim, rather than the culprit claiming "it's the law" ! ?
Once you have kids your life is now their life...PERIOD.
We all don't agree with certain laws. We choose the ones to follow or break based on the consequences vs rewards.
What about DUI, Tax Evasion, Gambling, Pre-Marital Sex & Homosexuality? Should children also be taken from those parents/homes if no actual abuse exists? I'm new here, can I safely presume you're not a Libertarian or Conservative?
What about DUI, Tax Evasion, Gambling, Pre-Marital Sex & Homosexuality? Should children also be taken from those parents/homes if no actual abuse exists? I'm new here, can I safely presume you're not a Libertarian or Conservative?
I most closely resemble a Libertarian Socialist.
That means I recognize the government and private sector for what they are: an oligarchic plutocracy where decisions are made based solely for the benefit of the institutions.
I'm getting heat here for blaming the parents first and foremost. The government as well as the private sector already have you by the balls in our system. That's why you have to take as much personal responsibility as possible to limit your interaction with institutions that don't have your best interests in mind. Then you have to hope they don't get in your way even if you tried avoiding them.
I'm not defending CPS or the foster parents. Even if CPS overstepped here (which in my mind can surely be the case) the parents were still playing Russian Roulette with smoking pot on the reg.
Don't give the government more of a reason to nose in your business.
This is all about parental/personal responsibility.
Horrible tragedy for the toddler, indeed; but two mutually exclusive situations.
It's a tragedy too that the toddler's parents chose to partake in felonious violations of Federal law; The child would have never had to be placed into foster care.
Horrible tragedy for the toddler, indeed; but two mutually exclusive situations.
It's a tragedy too that the toddler's parents chose to partake in felonious violations of Federal law; The child would have never had to be placed into foster care.
Smoking pot is a felonious violation of federal law? Cite?
This chick managed to retain her kids:
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A Globe analysis shows that in the final year of Liquarry's life, government agencies spent at least $314,000 on his family, about half for social services and government benefits, in an extraordinary effort to save the family, especially the children.
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Despite Liquarry's death, caregivers involved with the family say they see something worth saving in Gadson and her children. As a result, prior to Liquarry's death, the state Department of Social Services didn't take the children into custody even when they witnessed or took part in violence.
Sad story indeed. Remind me again statists how that "it takes a village" mentality is working?
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