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I do know that conservatives thought Till deserved what he got back then, and they think Martin deserved to be killed by Zimmerman.
Other than that, the cases are quite different.
I haven't heard conservatives say that they think Martin deserved to be killed by Zimmerman. I think the vast majority of people, conservative and liberal, think it's a tragedy that Martin was killed. The issue in the case was the role racism played in the shooting. While I think race was an issue, because Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because he was black, I don't know if Zimmerman is truly racist. The fact was that there were burglaries in the area, one of the characteristics of the suspected burglars was that they were black, and Martin shared that characteristic, and was unknown to Zimmerman who lived in the neighborhood. His suspicion, added to his poor judgment, resulted in an innocent, unarmed kid dying.
I think many people, conservative and liberal, grieved for Martin, and grieve for Zimmerman as well. Whatever his ambitions were, to be a hero that caught a bad guy, to protect his neighborhood, whatever they were, he will always be someone whose choices resulted in a young man's death. His choices may or may not have risen to the level of criminality. The jury concluded that he wasn't a criminal. And from what we've heard from the jury, they didn't arrive at their conclusion because of racism. The instructions on the rule of law that they received from the judge persuaded them that Zimmerman didn't act criminally. They debated it, and that's what they decided the law said.
I can understand comparing Till and Martin. It's not an invalid comparison. Comparisons are of things that are alike in some ways and unalike in others. Till and Martin are alike in some ways, and unalike in others. Oprah has focused on the ways they are alike. Beck has focused on the ways they are unalike.
Well Zimmerman assaulted people in the past, so using your logic, he deserves to die.
Zimmerman was able to pass a Federal and State background check for a conceal carry license. If he had any felonies, he would have not been able to obtain the license.
I haven't heard conservatives say that they think Martin deserved to be killed by Zimmerman. I think the vast majority of people, conservative and liberal, think it's a tragedy that Martin was killed. The issue in the case was the role racism played in the shooting. While I think race was an issue, because Zimmerman was suspicious of Martin because he was black, I don't know if Zimmerman is truly racist. The fact was that there were burglaries in the area, one of the characteristics of the suspected burglars was that they were black, and Martin shared that characteristic, and was unknown to Zimmerman who lived in the neighborhood. His suspicion, added to his poor judgment, resulted in an innocent, unarmed kid dying.
I think many people, conservative and liberal, grieved for Martin, and grieve for Zimmerman as well. Whatever his ambitions were, to be a hero that caught a bad guy, to protect his neighborhood, whatever they were, he will always be someone whose choices resulted in a young man's death. His choices may or may not have risen to the level of criminality. The jury concluded that he wasn't a criminal. And from what we've heard from the jury, they didn't arrive at their conclusion because of racism. The instructions on the rule of law that they received from the judge persuaded them that Zimmerman didn't act criminally. They debated it, and that's what they decided the law said.
I can understand comparing Till and Martin. It's not an invalid comparison. Comparisons are of things that are alike in some ways and unalike in others. Till and Martin are alike in some ways, and unalike in others. Oprah has focused on the ways they are alike. Beck has focused on the ways they are unalike.
The "unlike" far outweighed any measure of the "alike". In so much that the comparison is "offensive".
Zimmerman was able to pass a Federal and State background check for a conceal carry license. If he had any felonies, he would have not been able to obtain the license.
Why are you bringing up felonies, you said assault. Zimmerman has assaulted people, there are police records proving this, but let's believe Glenn Beck.
So, it is not "knowing your place" as a black man to have the nerve to think that you can't just attack and "rain blows MMA style" against someone for the "crime" of trailing you? Really?
The fact that you're repeating that story like it's fact already proves my point. You're no different than the racist Conservatives who believe the GZ' account b/c it fits what your perception of how Blacks act. It's exactly why ET's murderers got all hyped up to teach him a lesson -- b/c that's how Blacks act if you don't teach them their place.
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So, if you're walking down the sidewalk and some black thug thinks you're following him, you would be okay with him attacking you?
And if someone was following me around my father's apartment complex and I was about fifty feet from the door, I would have GONE INSIDE AND TOLD MY FATHER! Or, I would have HUNG UP THE PHONE ON PRECIOUS (that big girl he was talking to) AND CALLED THE COPS.
I guess a few weeks changes your opinion on what the acceptable action is. I'm pretty sure we both know the reason you give yourself a pass to stand your ground, but expect TM to hightail it home.
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And let's not forget the Obomzi reaction to the shooting of Daniel Adkins: "well, it was a black man who got away with murdering a mentally disabled Hispanic, so it should get ignored."
And I'm far to the left of Obama and want real, socialized healthcare, not the insurance companies that helped Obama get elected getting more money through Obama corporate care. I'm anti-war, pro-higher taxes, for cannabis legalization, etc...basically, I'm a socialist. And I see the Martin shooting for what it is: one of those wannabee gangsters, like the ones I grew up around, picking a fight with body to prove how "real" he was and it ended badly for him.
So that has nothing to do w/ anything. You can tell how dense someone is when they try to create some comparison to Obama responding to a national story and him not bringing up a story no one's talking about. Get a clue.
The bogus comparison is nothing short of race baiting, IMO. I have NO respect for race baiters.
I don't listen to Glen Beck, but he is SPOT ON with this story.
Warning: graphic video of Emmett Till's injuries.
Ben Crump, master of the Team Martin narrative, said that Trayvon will go down in the annals of history right next to Emmitt Till and Medgar Evers. Roland Martin and others have also made the Till analogy. Desperate for a new martyr I guess.
[I haven't read through the thread; I'll bet there's as much slamming Beck as commenting on the dopiness of the Till-Martin comparison.]
Can you or anyone else prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman would not have been following Martin if he wasn't black?
Serino identified what Martin did as profiling, and Zimmerman agreed during the interview:
""If you guys continue Neighborhood Watch, typically the garb is black-on-black-on-black with a black hoodie. This guy had a gray hoodie. But his pants were beige. Not exactly your prime suspect type," [Sanford Police Investigator] Serino said.
Serino then asks what was going through Zimmerman's head that night when he made the non-emergency call. Zimmerman then talks about an incident weeks before when he saw a black man wandering around the neighborhood looking in his neighbor's window.
"What did you see Trayvon doing that caught you as being suspicious?"
Zimmerman said Trayvon was looking at the same house he saw someone casing weeks before.
"You know you're gonna come under a lot of scrutiny under this, the profiling aspect of this. You understand that, right?" Serino asked.
"Yes," Zimmerman said.
"I got to ask that," Serino said. "Like I said this child has no criminal record whatsoever. Good kid. Mild-mannered kid."
Why are you bringing up felonies, you said assault. Zimmerman has assaulted people, there are police records proving this, but let's believe Glenn Beck.
If Zimmerman had assaulted a police officer, he would have been charged with assault and battery, which is a Felony. He has no felonies on his record. The incident wasn't a Felony charge because the Officer overreacted to a minor incident.
Also, DV is a person's word against another. Both filed against each other, so it's just what it is - typical DV case.
The comparison is "offensive" to YOU. The fact that there are "alikes" makes the comparison valid.
Zimmerman didn't have several people jump and beat the tar out of TM. And Zimmerman never bragged about the incident. It is "offensive" and race hustling. Especially when Oprah knows her "base" audience is black. She is speaking to them and stoking the fire.
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