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Old 07-10-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yesterday while jogging on the treadmill I saw an ad on one of the cable news stations from USPS. Unfortunately I can't find a link to the ad, but it basically repeated this lie from the USPS web site:
Postal Facts

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Originally Posted by USPS
The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations. We are required by law to cover our costs..
The truth is that USPS does effectively receive many subsidies, just via the back door:
(from Mail @ the Millennium a Cato publication).
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Hidden Government Subsidies

...the Postal Service receives a pass on many government taxes and regulations that private-sector firms must pay and observe. The Postal Service pays no federal income tax, no state or local income tax, no state or local sales or gross recepts tax, no property tax on buildings and equipment it owns, no motor vehicle licensing and registration fees, and no parking tickts.
Liberals routinely acknowledge that tax breaks are equivalent to tax subsidies, when they refer to them as "giveaways."

UPS and FeEx pay hundreds of millions in parking tickets each year.
Parking fines a big cost for delivery firms - Business - US business | NBC News

USPS pays zero. If an enterprise gets special legislation to exempt it from costs that apply to every other enterprise, it is dollars in their pocket. Taxpayer dollars, effectively. In the words of Rep. Joe Wilson, 'you lie' USPS.

And this is why I am so adamantly opposed to the idea of government advertising. Once DC is fully melded with Madison Avenue, we will have lost the republic.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Okay. And?
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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Yesterday while jogging on the treadmill I saw an ad on one of the cable news stations from USPS. Unfortunately I can't find a link to the ad, but it basically repeated this lie from the USPS web site:
Postal Facts



The truth is that USPS does effectively receive many subsidies, just via the back door:
(from Mail @ the Millennium a Cato publication).


Liberals routinely acknowledge that tax breaks are equivalent to tax subsidies, when they refer to them as "giveaways."

UPS and FeEx pay hundreds of millions in parking tickets each year.
Parking fines a big cost for delivery firms - Business - US business | NBC News

USPS pays zero. If an enterprise gets special legislation to exempt it from costs that apply to every other enterprise, it is dollars in their pocket. Taxpayer dollars, effectively. In the words of Rep. Joe Wilson, 'you lie' USPS.

And this is why I am so adamantly opposed to the idea of government advertising. Once DC is fully melded with Madison Avenue, we will have lost the republic.
Many large corporations don't pay tax and actually get tax refunds. Where's the outrage about that?
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Many large corporations don't pay tax and actually get tax refunds. Where's the outrage about that?
People simply love big corporations a heck of a lot more than big government.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:18 PM
 
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Okay. And?
I agree. Outrage over nothing. USPS is a government agency, and it should remain as such as per constitutional requirements of the federal government to establishes post offices and post roads (which slowly became our modern highways and main thoroughfares through towns and cities). But, I guess the constitutional USPS is one of the several parts that anarcho-capitalists hate about the Constitution that they love so much
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:22 PM
 
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People simply love big corporations a heck of a lot more than big government.
I don't love or hate big corporations, I just don't think they should get tax refunds if they are already not paying taxes.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Many large corporations don't pay tax and actually get tax refunds. Where's the outrage about that?
You ask where? Glad you asked. The outrage has been largely from the right.

Facebook paid nearly no taxes
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:26 PM
 
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You ask where? Glad you asked. The outrage has been largely from the right.

Facebook paid nearly no taxes
Yes, lefties just love the fact that corporations are making out like bandits.

But anyway, I would be fine with not taxing businesses as long as they don't get tax refunds on top of not paying taxes. It would be a better deal for taxpayers.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Yes lefties have been rock solid in support of corporate welfare, while righties have been rock solid against. As long as we can agree that Barack Obama is representative of the left, and that Sarah Palin is representative of the right.

Obama Doubles Down on Corporate Welfare | Citizens Against Government Waste

Palin’s Attack on ‘Corporate Crony Capitalism’ Spotlights Gap in GOP Field - Washington Wire - WSJ
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:44 PM
 
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You ask where? Glad you asked. The outrage has been largely from the right.

Facebook paid nearly no taxes
Facebook paid very little in taxes because the tax obligations were moved to the stock recipiants during the stock transfer. That doesn't mean taxes weren't paid.
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