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using these tragedies to push an agenda is disgusting! Seriously the liberal democrats are becoming a very scary group in this country and i know i'm not the only one who sees it. the liberals have become so aggressive now.
You mean like when the NRA held a press conference immediately after Newtown and called for more guns in the hands of every man, woman and child in the nation? Blamed the tragedy on the school for not being armed? Like that?
You people have no shame.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I seem to recall the NRA coming out with that pithy phrase right after Newtown.
The Second Amendment Foundation has secured a leaked document which we are dubbing, “The Democrat’s Gun Control Playbook.”
The 70+ page document has instructions on how anti-gun groups and politicians can divide pro-gun supporters, fight the NRA, and even how to capitalize on national shooting tragedies in order to further an agenda of more gun control.
Now I know where all the anti gun talking heads on this forum and in the MSM have been getting their talking points. Using tragedies like Newtown to further push an agenda is shameful.
No, it's NOT. It's decent and right.
Accepting tragedies like Newtown as "just part of the cost" of everyone owning anything with impunity and stonewalling all attempts to even have a real conversation is what is shameful and wrong.
It is exactly equivalent saying: "I don't care enough about the lives of those twenty-five children and their teachers to even so much as consider undertaking any actions to keep guns from falling into the hands of the wrong people." That's what your position says. If you had kids and it was yours in there, you might care a bit more.
Every tragedy cannot be prevented, but when events like this happen with sufficient frequency, decent people should always reflect on whether there is something more that we as a society can do to protect the most vulnerable from being victims of gun crime because weapons fell into the hands of criminals and/or crazy people. And there IS more that we can do without eliminating gun ownership. But instead of seriously considering it, we're always treated to the same derailment tactic by the gun lobby of whipping the old straw man lie that the opposition wants to eliminate ALL guns.
Other advanced nations, like Switzerland, have figured out how to make comprehensive gun control and gun ownership coexist; surely, if we had the courage, we could too.
Accepting tragedies like Newtown as "just part of the cost" of everyone owning anything with impunity and stonewalling all attempts to even have a real conversation is what is shameful and wrong.
It is exactly equivalent saying: "I don't care enough about the lives of those twenty-five children and their teachers to even so much as consider undertaking any actions to keep guns from falling into the hands of the wrong people." That's what your position says. If you had kids and it was yours in there, you might care a bit more.
Every tragedy cannot be prevented, but when events like this happen with sufficient frequency, decent people should always reflect on whether there is something more that we as a society can do to protect the most vulnerable from being victims of gun crime because weapons fell into the hands of criminals and/or crazy people. And there IS more that we can do without eliminating gun ownership. But instead of seriously considering it, we're always treated to the same derailment tactic by the gun lobby of whipping the old straw man lie that the opposition wants to eliminate ALL guns.
Other advanced nations, like Switzerland, have figured out how to make comprehensive gun control and gun ownership coexist; surely, if we had the courage, we could too.
You realize crime and murder are at 30 year lows right?
You understand that all these laws being passed in various states will not actually reduce crime?
All the laws the Feds wanted to pass would not have stopped Newtown or any other tragedy from happening.
The statistics show crime and murder are going down even though the numbers of privately owned guns and concealed weapons permit holders have increased dramatically in the same time. "Evil Assault Weapons" have become the most common gun in America. All you have is a tired emotional argument, common sense has prevailed.
Accepting tragedies like Newtown as "just part of the cost" of everyone owning anything with impunity and stonewalling all attempts to even have a real conversation is what is shameful and wrong.
It is exactly equivalent saying: "I don't care enough about the lives of those twenty-five children and their teachers to even so much as consider undertaking any actions to keep guns from falling into the hands of the wrong people." That's what your position says. If you had kids and it was yours in there, you might care a bit more.
Every tragedy cannot be prevented, but when events like this happen with sufficient frequency, decent people should always reflect on whether there is something more that we as a society can do to protect the most vulnerable from being victims of gun crime because weapons fell into the hands of criminals and/or crazy people. And there IS more that we can do without eliminating gun ownership. But instead of seriously considering it, we're always treated to the same derailment tactic by the gun lobby of whipping the old straw man lie that the opposition wants to eliminate ALL guns.
Other advanced nations, like Switzerland, have figured out how to make comprehensive gun control and gun ownership coexist; surely, if we had the courage, we could too.
So standing on the bodies of kids to try and use filty to strip the American people of their freedoms is not shameful and wrong?
You fail to understand no matter how many laws you pass, bad people will always harm Innocent people.
You assume that their is something we can do..their is not...Switzerland is not America...two very difference nations.. with vastly different cultures, views, and values. its not courage to give up your only means of protection, it is stupidity of the highest order..250,000,000 murdered over the last 120 years will prove this.
You realize crime and murder are at 30 year lows right?
You understand that all these laws being passed in various states will not actually reduce crime?
All the laws the Feds wanted to pass would not have stopped Newtown or any other tragedy from happening.
The statistics show crime and murder are going down even though the numbers of privately owned guns and concealed weapons permit holders have increased dramatically in the same time. "Evil Assault Weapons" have become the most common gun in America. All you have is a tired emotional argument, common sense has prevailed.
It's one of hundreds of political consultant firms based in DC. They count Mayors Against Gun Violence as clients.
It's typical of strategy papers, regardless of topic. It's all about the use of emotions instead of facts. All political campaigns are based on appealing to the emotional response of the targeted audience.
NRA does the same on the flip side of this issue.
I posted in another thread earlier today that the Brady Commission Against Gun Violence gives Obama an F. He could not have traded the ACA for gun control laws if he wanted to do so. The U.S. passed the tipping point a long, long time ago.
It remains in the best interests of the NRA and other like-minded associations to continue to appeal to the emotions of people who love their guns and maintain the near hysteria that Obama is coming or your guns. Follow the money. It's good for association business ,gun manufacturers and sales.
As usual, people are being manipulated to consume.
This is a leaked Democrat Document? It looks more like a paper done by an independent organization on how to best go against gun advocates but not from the desk of a specifically elected Democratic official.
Now if you are saying that the authors are Democrats then that's a different story (that would require proof) but again who cares?
I am willing to bet that the NRA and pro gun groups have their own playbooks as well. This could be up for non-issue post of the week. Who cares?
You betcha
These are political consultants who specialize in strategy. There's 100's of them in DC.
This organization counts Mayors Against Gun Violence as a client. They could have easily been commissioned by the NRA .
Here, compare these two documents and show us how they are any different aside from the different opinion they are pushing.
Money and power is being gained and lost in the game of guns and gun control. There is no solution to the controversy, not when we think anyone who disagrees with our thinking is going to destroy the country.
Political consultants love controversy and often paly any side of an issue so long as the sponsor pays the bills.
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