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I personally feel there is a difference between discipline for a bad behavior and a spank, or swat because of that bad choice.
Or of someone who is abusive and knows no better then to hit their child so often and really hard, constantly and puts them down.
So many children i grew up with from the era, that was discipline with a belt or by hand, have grown up to be very productive, loving caring, sensitive parents and responsible for their childrens actions.
Another word, these kids grew up to be fine adults.
Indeed. There is a fine line. I've had to spank my son. I never have nor would ever use a belt, as a firm hand works fine. When used correctly, it can be very effective. I mean, you can't just go and wack your kid for every single little thing, but there are times when you just gotta lay down the law.
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Corporal punishment in U.S. schools still exists, though state laws vary all across the fruited plain.
Not in Ohio. At least not in my son's school. On the other hand it did when I was growing up.
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We have better technology these days. Just put a shock collar on every kid from 1 to 17. No need to chase them down or hurt your hand, just push the magic button!
Or we could just dope them up with Ritalin or Adderal.
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It IS their right. A private business has wide freedom to discriminate. Apartments can rent to adults only. A private golf club can choose to be men only if they want.
As it should be.
You are correct.
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Yep - Colorado and Ohio are easy guesses.
Nope. Not here in Ohio.
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I had to go to catholic shool up until the sixth grade. Oh yeah if you acted up you got it at school and then at home. Those nuns could hit too. Damn Royals need a right fielder who can hit they should go scout catholic schools.
I didn't go to Catholic school, but believe me, I grew up with corporal punishment. Never got it though, because of the consequences when I got home.
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Ohio does not allow it according to the source I found.
You are correct. Ohio does not. Otherwise, some of my son's friends probably would have gotten it. Heck, my son went through a rough spell in Kindergarten, and part of 1st grade, and probably would have been on the receiving end if it were still in effect here. He is doing much better now. Straight A's at end 4th grade.
Yeah, and the nuns at the catholic school my husband went to terrorized the kids--they were MEAN, and often CRUEL. That's one reason why my HUSBAND was so dead set against hitting our kids. He can remember being hit up the side of the head with a ruler until he bled, and remembers one of his classmates wetting his pants in elementary when one of the nuns approached him with a yardstick, because he knew what was coming. Don't romanticize the past because lots of the time it's not very pretty.
Everyone has their memories. The nuns in our school didn't terrorize the kids.
Not everyone had the bad experiences your husband did.
One bad experience doesn't mean abuse was rampant in Catholic schools all over America.
Everyone has their memories. The nuns in our school didn't terrorize the kids.
Not everyone had the bad experiences your husband did.
One bad experience doesn't mean abuse was rampant in Catholic schools all over America.
I didn't say it was. I'm just saying don't romanticize it, because it happened often enough.
I didn't say it was. I'm just saying don't romanticize it, because it happened often enough.
Parental discipline today doesn't work more than it works.
Yes it is a problem.
The same misbehavior seen today in restaurants is also seen in schools, libraries, museums, etc.
Even in church. Some churches now have a special family mass or children's mass because of complaints.
And the parents get offended when approached.
Oh it certainly was like that in the 60's and 70's when I was growing up.
When were you a kid ?
I was a kid in the 80s. Kids ran around restaurants just as much then as they do now. I know this because I did it myself. So either some enormously profound shift happened in restaurant culture during the 70s, or you're not remembering things exactly as they happened.
Beyond that, other than physically restraining their children, I have no idea how that would have not been the case even "back then." The behaviour of the average three-year-old probably hasn't changed much over the years, if at all. Even a hundred years ago, they probably didn't want to sit in their seat when told to do so.
People also eat out a lot more than they did 40-50-60+ years ago. That can affect your perception.
Yeah, and the nuns at the catholic school my husband went to terrorized the kids--they were MEAN, and often CRUEL. That's one reason why my HUSBAND was so dead set against hitting our kids. He can remember being hit up the side of the head with a ruler until he bled, and remembers one of his classmates wetting his pants in elementary when one of the nuns approached him with a yardstick, because he knew what was coming. Don't romanticize the past because lots of the time it's not very pretty.
Most of the research suggests that corporal punishment doesn't...uhh...lead to the outcomes one might prefer, to put it mildly. And that's not exactly a new conclusion.
It IS their right. A private business has wide freedom to discriminate. Apartments can rent to adults only. A private golf club can choose to be men only if they want.
As it should be.
No they can't, unless they're in a retirement community.
I was a kid in the 80s. Kids ran around restaurants just as much then as they do now. I know this because I did it myself. So either some enormously profound shift happened in restaurant culture during the 70s, or you're not remembering things exactly as they happened.
I was a kid in the 80's, too, and I NEVER, EVER would have been allowed to run around in a restaurant. Or a store, or a business fo any other kind. The backyard was where we were allowed to run around, yell, and otherwise act like wild animals. Inside, we used our inside voices, walked, sat in chairs, and cleaned up after ourselves. Perhaps my mother had a different style of parenting than yours.
I was a kid in the 80s. Kids ran around restaurants just as much then as they do now. I know this because I did it myself. So either some enormously profound shift happened in restaurant culture during the 70s, or you're not remembering things exactly as they happened.
Beyond that, other than physically restraining their children, I have no idea how that would have not been the case even "back then." The behaviour of the average three-year-old probably hasn't changed much over the years, if at all. Even a hundred years ago, they probably didn't want to sit in their seat when told to do so.
People also eat out a lot more than they did 40-50-60+ years ago. That can affect your perception.
Were your parents boomers or silent generation ?
Sure there was a shift in generation to generation. 10-20 years is about right for a generation shift.
My parents were silent generation.
As a boomer I was definitely more lax with discipline than my parents although I was told I was too strict.
And now I see even more lax discipline.
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