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Old 08-09-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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I will have to get out the popcorn to watch this one develop...........

“Let’s understand where we are with the unions. One of the things we’ve learned with all of the hearings we held, dozens and dozens of them, is that if you have insurance you have to be able to have some skin in the game as we say in Las Vegas. And that means you just can’t keep running to the doctor with no deductible whatsoever. These are referred to as the Cadillac plans. And the Cadillac plans weren’t fair to other people… You have to have I repeat skin in the game.”

Funny how congress has no skin in the game as they got their exemptions. Maybe it's time for the union MEMBERS to wake up? They have been sold out by their so called union leaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQZ6LnkG0tc#at=15
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:37 PM
 
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Good. Eff the unions. Their support helped create this monstrosity. I hope the unions get skinned alive by Obamacare.
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:00 PM
 
Location: mancos
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Congress took care of themselves before vacation by making us pay for their obamacare,everybody else too bad run for office if you want to be special or vote and shut up
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Florida
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the democratic party will implode as Obamacare's giant sucking sound takes their money and bankrupts businesses.

Last edited by Taratova; 08-09-2013 at 09:26 PM..
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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I will have to get out the popcorn to watch this one develop...........

“Let’s understand where we are with the unions. One of the things we’ve learned with all of the hearings we held, dozens and dozens of them, is that if you have insurance you have to be able to have some skin in the game as we say in Las Vegas. And that means you just can’t keep running to the doctor with no deductible whatsoever. These are referred to as the Cadillac plans. And the Cadillac plans weren’t fair to other people… You have to have I repeat skin in the game.”

Funny how congress has no skin in the game as they got their exemptions. Maybe it's time for the union MEMBERS to wake up? They have been sold out by their so called union leaders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQZ6LnkG0tc#at=15
OK - Heads Up and pay attention. Good 'ole Harry is telling the truth about the Cadillac Plans, BUT he is trying to make the current complaint (high prices and dropped coverage) about a Plan that doesn't even go into effect until 2018 - the Cliff Notes version is ...... He is lying to them. He lied then and no reason to 'change' a Game Plan that has worked in the past.

ObamaCare Taxes - US News and World Report
Most of these Taxes will hit Seniors the most, but they also hit the young and the Unions. They didn't read the bill before it was passed - the Union Leadership threw the Membership under the Bus. The entire fairy tale of "If you like your plan, you can keep it" is coming home to roost. People are discovering (and more will do so) that the "plan" they liked is now down the tubes. Read it and Weep.

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2. "Cadillac Plan" excise tax. Starting in 2018, Obamacare imposes a whopping 40 percent excise tax on high-cost ("Cadillac plan") health insurance plans. This is defined for seniors as a plan whose premiums exceed $29,450 for a family plan, or $11,500 for a single senior. Seniors often face higher costs in health insurance premiums due to chronic health conditions and other risk factors. This tax is almost exclusively a tax which will fall on seniors with the greatest health insurance needs.
There is no "Cadillac Plan" in effect now & won't until 2018 - Harry, Nancy & Obama worked out a "waiver" for the CongressCritters and the Capitol Hill Staff to circumvent the ObamaCare Law .... the Unions want the same "waiver" (US Taxpayers pay for their insurance Contributions) - Harry is telling them they won't get that "Waiver". You think they are unhappy now ... Just wait until 2018 when they get that 40% Tax on their insurance added to the increases they are getting today.

Best part is ....... they are still trying to blame Republicans for a Law that not a single Republican voted for, and that the GOP has never given up trying to stop because it harms so many people with it's incompetence.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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This is the worst Congress we have EVER had, bar none. Pathetic.

Everyone is collateral damage to them, except themselves and their piggish interests. They really must be truly clueless to not see what is going on in middle class America now. Dems especially.

A fake housing 'recovery' is supposed to cloud over economic facts. MAJOR and utter fail.
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I do believe Harry Reid has a high price on his head. It is higher than Obama's
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:48 PM
 
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This is the worst Congress we have EVER had, bar none. Pathetic.

Everyone is collateral damage to them, except themselves and their piggish interests. They really must be truly clueless to not see what is going on in middle class America now. Dems especially.

A fake housing 'recovery' is supposed to cloud over economic facts. MAJOR and utter fail.



Oh I think they know full well.

Caring? That's another story.
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Old 08-13-2013, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Oh I think they know full well.

Caring? That's another story.


Precisely, and that is why the GOP and Dems have now alienated a MAJOR part of the Independents and voters in America, we the "people" who are supposed to matter.

The nastiness and race baiting and vitriol will NOT work in their favor, people with a brain are tired of the garbage that is destroying this once great nation.

NSA spying is part of it too.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Funny how congress has no skin in the game as they got their exemptions.
No. Congress is not exempt from the Affordable Care Act. Congress and some of their staff is the ONLY group specifically included in the law as being mandated to obtain their health insurance through the health exchanges being set up.

Again - because some people are misinterpreting a recent headline, and/or didn't bother reading the story - Congress and some of their staff MUST drop the health insurance they already have (health insurance that already meets current Affordable Care Act provisions) as of Jan. 1, 2014, and obtain their health insurance through the health exchanges.

The only development with regard to Congress and the Affordable Care Act that has been in the news recently is a clarification from the Office of Personnel Management that Members of Congress and their staff will continue to have their health insurance premiums paid in part by their employer, the federal government, as it is now. And the only reason that this clarification was needed is that the addition of the Members of Congress and some of their staff to the Affordable Care Act was poorly worded and did not provide sufficient information.

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There is no "Cadillac Plan" in effect now & won't until 2018 - Harry, Nancy & Obama worked out a "waiver" for the CongressCritters and the Capitol Hill Staff to circumvent the ObamaCare Law .... the Unions want the same "waiver" (US Taxpayers pay for their insurance Contributions) - Harry is telling them they won't get that "Waiver". You think they are unhappy now ... Just wait until 2018 when they get that 40% Tax on their insurance added to the increases they are getting today.
And again, there is no waiver for Members of Congress and some of their staff - unlike me, and you, and everyone else in this country, Members of Congress and some of their staff are actually, specifically written into the law. The Affordable Care Act mandates that they get their health insurance through the health exchanges. And there are no waivers.

The article you linked to includes this:

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2. "Cadillac Plan" excise tax. Starting in 2018, Obamacare imposes a whopping 40 percent excise tax on high-cost ("Cadillac plan") health insurance plans. This is defined for seniors as a plan whose premiums exceed $29,450 for a family plan, or $11,500 for a single senior. Seniors often face higher costs in health insurance premiums due to chronic health conditions and other risk factors. This tax is almost exclusively a tax which will fall on seniors with the greatest health insurance needs.
I am a retired federal worker, and I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield Standard option health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits program. This is one of the most expensive health insurance plans available to federal employees/retirees, and it is the most popular plan among federal retirees. For 2013, the annual cost of my self-only plan is $7195.56 - significantly less than the $11,500 "Cadillac plan" limit. The annual cost of the self-and-family plan this year is $16,252.32, much, much less than the $29,450 "Cadillac plan" limit.

For people who have such "Cadillac" plans now, they have more than four years to do some research and find good health insurance for less than the "Cadillac" limit.
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